If China and Russia joined together to create the successor to the soviet union

[Vandelay]

Well you're raising a point here that shows how China could be in the position to create an alliance where they're at the head and finance it for the most part. Russia and Saudi Arabia will need people to buy their petroleum which can be used for manufacturing. That's China and Russia right there. Russia has fallen off technologically, so China can give them the boost they need to get their schools and rebuild their tech sector. North Korea needs food, and Russia has tons of land that can be used for this. Africa and Latin America are big deals when it comes to labor because they have the youngest populations growing the fastest. If China can get Africans on their side, and can actually let go of their racism they can bring in millions of Africans and Latinos to revitalize their aging population. If they have agreements with free movement similar to the EU, and again if these other countries can let go of their racism, it will be massive boost to their manufacturing capacity and they'll have millions of scientists graduating each year.

If they all leave their egos at the door and actually come together they'll be a strong military and technological threat. Especially if they're manufacturing electronics that are cheaper, stronger, and last longer. A lot of the shyt we take for granted is thanks to things like DARPA and without the soviet boogeyman, America has basically been entirely dependent on these silicon Valley clowns to keep America competitive. But with managers like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg it's not looking good. ChatGPT is a breakthrough, but you already know China has stolen that shyt and will put billions in govt funding to make a remix that's hotter than the original. If China cracks A.I., quantum computing, and renewable energy in 20 years, they can use this soft power to win over other nations and then America will be dependent on China's well funded tech sector for our technology.


shyt isn't looking good for us while we still have these religious zealots and fat cats in office who don't give a shyt about science or education. We need to get them out of the paint immediately because China and Europe are trying to go to the 2067 while we have clowns in office trying to take us back to 1767.

The West has to do something now before a true clear and present danger arises, by then it might too late. It's unfortunate because the solutions that contain China significantly hurt the US. Personally, I think the US should pull their manufacturing out of China. Mexico is just as capable at the same price point as China right now, without the added transportation delay and cost. It's actually cheaper to manufacture in Mexico at this point, and the iron is hot because Mexico would take the manufacturing right now in a heart beat. My company is doing a lot of growing business in Mexico for instance and it's at a very competitive price point.

If you pull manufacturing out of China, it slows IP theft, slows their economy and potentially tips China into a tailspin that permanently leaves them subordinate to the US given all of their other challenges.

China has a rapidly aging population that more and more of their GDP is going to have to care for, which means no more significant investments into all of these cutting-edge technologies. And if their GDP doesn't get above the middle income trap, their authoritarian regime falls apart, because no one wants authoritarianism AND they are broke. Almost every existing authoritarian regime over the world has to deal with populist uprisings every few years and China can't contain 1.4 billion people who don't want that way of life. "Lying flat" will hit the whole population and then its game over for the CCP.

 

[Low End Derrick]

Russia already has submitted to China though

In an official capacity.

Like, I can't imagine Moscow allowing Beijing to rule over them.

 

[cobra]

I hope this doesn't happen because if it does we will need to have a formal alliance with napoleon's cousins

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

The West has to do something now before a true clear and present danger arises, by then it might too late. It's unfortunate because the solutions that contain China significantly hurt the US. Personally, I think the US should pull their manufacturing out of China. Mexico is just as capable at the same price point as China right now, without the added transportation delay and cost. It's actually cheaper to manufacture in Mexico at this point, and the iron is hot because Mexico would take the manufacturing right now in a heart beat. My company is doing a lot of growing business in Mexico for instance and it's at a very competitive price point.

If you pull manufacturing out of China, it slows IP theft, slows their economy and potentially tips China into a tailspin that permanently leaves them subordinate to the US given all of their other challenges.

China has a rapidly aging population that more and more of their GDP is going to have to care for, which means no more significant investments into all of these cutting-edge technologies. And if their GDP doesn't get above the middle income trap, their authoritarian regime falls apart, because no one wants authoritarianism AND they are broke. Almost every existing authoritarian regime over the world has to deal with populist uprisings every few years and China can't contain 1.4 billion people who don't want that way of life. "Lying flat" will hit the whole population and then its game over for the CCP.

CCP has really only been able to hang on because they've done something no other country has done which is to lift the equivalent of several other countries out of poverty in less than 30 years. They did it without having to starve or kill millions like the soviets did. I hate that government but credit needs to be given where it's due and that's an objectively impressive achievement. The fact that a Chinese man can see that his standard of living has raised dramatically from childhood to adulthood means that he will be more likely to put up with government over reach. When the choice is between being free and broke or rich with golden handcuffs, people tend to choose the latter over the former. You're seeing it in real time with the impoverished cacs who support Trump because they think his money will rub off on them. They're willing to vote against their own interests if they mean it will make them rich, and it's plenty of business owners who were happy when he made those huge tax cuts in 18.

Biden's team is trying to get contracts out here to build huge factories for tech, but I think Mexico and other countries still scare people because the cartels or militants are running wild and killing people. China was considered a good choice because their government wouldn't hesitate to jail or execute anyone who stirred shyt up and they had millions of young people ready to work like robots for pennies on the dollar. America could fill the void if they appealed to Latin America but with the shyt the CIA pulled in that part of the world from the 60s-90s there's very little trust to begin with. Africa is a possible partner but if these white racists are in office they'll never agree to take manufacturing there. The idea of black people getting rich and being lifted out of poverty is something that scares and disgusts them. If Africa starts growing dramatically like China, that's black power which has been a boogeyman Republicans used to motivate racists to the polls and keep their base loyal. India and Brazil are good options because they are young and populous. China is going to campaign hard to get them on their side because they can be manufacturing powerhouses. Nigeria too. Nigeria is the closest thing to an African version of China.

We have a lot of baggage globally because of a$$holes like Reagan and Bush 1. At least Bush Jr put a lot of money into medicine for African countries. He's not as hated there for that reason and is probably the only good thing we can say he did.

 

[degu9089]

Yo what would they be called?

The Manchurian Union
The Russian Reminbi
The Chrussian Republic
PutinXiese

The Sino-Russian Alliance (SRA)

 

[DaddyFresh]

Russia cant even backdoor some untrained Ukranians China would never

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Panic about US dollar decline has begun