Us could barely handle vietnam, afghanistan and iraq but listen to the coli and china and russia would be overrun in a week
If China and Russia joined together to create the successor to the soviet union
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Us could barely handle vietnam, afghanistan and iraq but listen to the coli and china and russia would be overrun in a week
MajesticLion
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Us could barely handle vietnam, afghanistan and iraq but listen to the coli and china and russia would be overrun in a week
If we went to war with China and Russia, it wouldn't be a nation building mission. It would be a war of empires. We'd take out our big guns for that.
The mistake that the US makes in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq is that we don't want to be seen as the villain, as the big nation bullying smaller states and absolutely annihilating them.
We wouldn't be concerned about our image if it was us going against China or Russia
Rembrandt
the artist
Us could barely handle vietnam, afghanistan and iraq but listen to the coli and china and russia would be overrun in a week
A crazy take that doesn't even understand what happened.
Act like an actual world war would be the same as bullshyt invasions where we still destroyed 3/3 countries and left more orphans in Vietnam than US soldiers killed.
Not justifying anything but it would be a massacre
in the us as well
Rembrandt
the artist
To an extent, but at least we've showed an ability to fight unlike Russia who got exposed for their paper tiger army and China, who actually hasn't even fought a modern war yet. They got fukked by us, then lost to Indiaa, Vietnam and the Soviet union. Their large army is expected to have less than half of those people war ready, not to even mention how fukkin bad it would get with our jets and their lack of air superiority.
Who would be the leader? I don't see Putin stepping aside and Xi probably likes where he is.
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
NATO still exists even though the Warsaw pact was dissolved and there's no longer a soviet union.
So it makes sense that Russia and China would try to make their own counter to NATO. China has been focused on making big investments in technology especially chip technology that is used in cars, smart phones, weapons systems etc.
What happens if they start sharing that tech with Russia and North Korea and the three of them start working together to push boundaries in technology with military applications. We still here debating on whether women should be allowed to get abortions while China is putting billions into fusion tech and renewable energy.
If we keeping it 100% the soviets put in work in the space race. They were first with most milestones right up until the moon landing. I get the feeling that it's going to be China that puts out the first working nuclear fusion reactor and will be the first to crack the code on a technology that will actually reverse climate change. That's going to draw more countries into their orbit. We're becoming a global laughing stock while those rice cacs are pushing the envelope after stealing the fundamentals from American tech giants
NATO still exists even though the Warsaw pact was dissolved and there's no longer a soviet union.
So it makes sense that Russia and China would try to make their own counter to NATO. China has been focused on making big investments in technology especially chip technology that is used in cars, smart phones, weapons systems etc.
What happens if they start sharing that tech with Russia and North Korea and the three of them start working together to push boundaries in technology with military applications. We still here debating on whether women should be allowed to get abortions while China is putting billions into fusion tech and renewable energy.
If we keeping it 100% the soviets put in work in the space race. They were first with most milestones right up until the moon landing. I get the feeling that it's going to be China that puts out the first working nuclear fusion reactor and will be the first to crack the code on a technology that will actually reverse climate change. That's going to draw more countries into their orbit. We're becoming a global laughing stock while those rice cacs are pushing the envelope after stealing the fundamentals from American tech giants
That last paragraph is key. Not because of the nuclear fusion thing, but because of their soft-power orbit. China been diving into Africa, South Asia and else where with massive creditor/debtor relationships that can fukk over all sorts of efforts to get foot holds in the far east.
Strategically, Russia is kinda fukked. Their entire military has been decimated. They can't deploy on multiple fronts, their country is literally too big. They have no naval presence to speak of and they'd have to open their culo to China to make ends meet. Which is what we are seeing now. China would be the forerunner of such an alliance. The only thing I see fukking that over though, is NATO is strong as fukk. Really strong. Combine that with Australia's position in the pacific, America's presence in the Middle east and Europe's position in the north and China would be forced to either use ICBMs or a naval landing on the west coast or Alaska and that would be literal suicide.
People don't understand that the US's position between the oceans is the single biggest barrier to invasion. And it was doubly smart to establish shyt like NAFTA which keeps our direct neighbors on our side. China ain't about to come through Mexico or Canada and not get fukked over by a North American JTF.
The only question mark in this hypothetical world war is South America. Which I personally think would join with the West.
Insensitive
Superstar
Russia isn't communist isn't anymore.
Why would they link up and make a "New Soviet Union"?
Do you know ANYTHING about contemporary Russia? They're a capitalist
nation doing Capitalist Nation things.
Why would they link up and make a "New Soviet Union"?
Do you know ANYTHING about contemporary Russia? They're a capitalist
nation doing Capitalist Nation things.
Vandelay
Life is absurd. Lean into it.
I disagree with the bolded, but agree with almost everything else. I think the US beats China to fusion...we already had major news reports on this in the last 3 months. I think the US beats China to AI; midJourney and ChatGPT show you what can be done in the public realm, I also think the US beats China to quantum computing. The US's problem is we invent this shyt, and then DO NOTHING with it due to the bureaucracy.
Russia, China, DPRK...toss in Iran and Saudia Arabia I could see forming a union. Everyone of those countries have glaring weaknesses that will make them permanently subordinate to the US given the status quo.
- Russia, is broke and undergoing a population timebomb.
- China, has a slowing, shaky economy, devoid of resources internally capable of sustaining its current size coupled with an authoritarian regime that their rapidly shrinking population won't stand for if the economy slows too much. Moreover, their military isn't battle tested.
- DPRK, is a failed pariah state that can't show its face on the world stage, so they have pop off with nuclear rhetoric everytime someone invalidates their existence.
- Iran, authoritarian regime that is dangerously close to their own population rising against them and really don't possess the knowledge or weaponry to hold it down without external help.
- Saudi Arabia, single-sourced economy that will be in serious trouble when and IF...and its a big IF the rest of the world moves away from oil. Tourism will not sustain them.
I don't want this scenario, but the US can't get their head out of their ass and might take several steps back due to sheer bigotry and bureaucratic gridlock. The strange irony is, common enemy may unite the US and it's allies in ways not seen in a long time. Funny how you need a clear and present danger, not an ambiguous one to get your shyt together.
Personally, I think China is playing both sides and has their eyes on far eastern Siberia should Russia fracture into multiple states. They will play both hands.
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Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
Well you're raising a point here that shows how China could be in the position to create an alliance where they're at the head and finance it for the most part. Russia and Saudi Arabia will need people to buy their petroleum which can be used for manufacturing. That's China and Russia right there. Russia has fallen off technologically, so China can give them the boost they need to get their schools and rebuild their tech sector. North Korea needs food, and Russia has tons of land that can be used for this. Africa and Latin America are big deals when it comes to labor because they have the youngest populations growing the fastest. If China can get Africans on their side, and can actually let go of their racism they can bring in millions of Africans and Latinos to revitalize their aging population. If they have agreements with free movement similar to the EU, and again if these other countries can let go of their racism, it will be massive boost to their manufacturing capacity and they'll have millions of scientists graduating each year.
If they all leave their egos at the door and actually come together they'll be a strong military and technological threat. Especially if they're manufacturing electronics that are cheaper, stronger, and last longer. A lot of the shyt we take for granted is thanks to things like DARPA and without the soviet boogeyman, America has basically been entirely dependent on these silicon Valley clowns to keep America competitive. But with managers like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg it's not looking good. ChatGPT is a breakthrough, but you already know China has stolen that shyt and will put billions in govt funding to make a remix that's hotter than the original. If China cracks A.I., quantum computing, and renewable energy in 20 years, they can use this soft power to win over other nations and then America will be dependent on China's well funded tech sector for our technology.
shyt isn't looking good for us while we still have these religious zealots and fat cats in office who don't give a shyt about science or education. We need to get them out of the paint immediately because China and Europe are trying to go to the 2067 while we have clowns in office trying to take us back to 1767.
I think its also worth mentioning that the two egos of both nations would never allow it. Chariman Mao couldnt even ally himself with Stalin before falling out ; so i doubt supreme leader xi and emperor Putin will work together as a nation even if it was their only chance . Putin would backstab Xi inless than a week
Incorrect, sir. I think you meant to say 2trillion invested into American jobs.
Incorrect, sir. I think you meant to say 2trillion invested into American jobs.
Nkrumah Was Right
Superstar
I think its also worth mentioning that the two egos of both nations would never allow it. Chariman Mao couldnt even ally himself with Stalin before falling out ; so i doubt supreme leader xi and emperor Putin will work together as a nation even if it was their only chance . Putin would backstab Xi inless than a week
Incorrect, sir. I think you meant to say 2trillion invested into American jobs.
Mao and the USSR’s falling out was more complicated.
Mao initially looked to Stalin as a mentor. After all, the Soviets provided some support to the People’s Liberation Army during the Chinese Civil War. However, there were doctrinal disagreements on the application of communism.
During the Korean War, Stalin provided Soviet pilots and other supports when China fought the US and other UN forces for nearly 3 years.
After Stalin’s death, tensions really started to grow between the USSR and PRC which led to border skirmishes and competing foreign policy objectives vis-a-vis Vietnam, for instance.