No it wasn’t, I was there real time that was a rare Hov miss in this era, Hov fighting for his life on this beat gave me even more respect for Juvie
If "Ha" (Juvenile) came out in 2023
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No it wasn’t, I was there real time that was a rare Hov miss in this era, Hov fighting for his life on this beat gave me even more respect for Juvie
Blown Moon
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Took me back to my days in New Orleans, I lived out there for 16 years
@DropTopDoc da hell you doing man?
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Certified. One of those songs i started paying attention to the lyrics made me appreciate it 10 times more
Jaylen Tatum
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The only reason you alive you read lips
nikkas trippin that hov verse was fire to me because I could relate to it.
MajesticLion
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Jay being on that remix should have never been released. That LA bounce will make a lot of otherwise gifted rappers look silly if they're not familiar with it, and Jay didn't do it justice.
I'll say this, though: I respect that he took the artistic risk and tried something outside of his regular zone, even if it made it look like a blatant attempt at wave riding. There aren't that many rappers/MCs who would have even taken the potential hit to their "rep" to try this. Especially from NY or the West at that point in time.
I'll say this, though: I respect that he took the artistic risk and tried something outside of his regular zone, even if it made it look like a blatant attempt at wave riding. There aren't that many rappers/MCs who would have even taken the potential hit to their "rep" to try this. Especially from NY or the West at that point in time.
Ha would easily be the top TikTok trend of 2023. Its actually brilliant production and flow. To this day there's not another song like it. That's insane when you think about how much music there is out there.
It’s insane how good rap was back then compared to today
Juvie said many times that Jay hoppin on that remix basically made everyone down there feel validated by NYC and the rest of the rap world. I'm not saying its all on Jay, but it was a turning point in Hip-Hop that further solidified the South as not just a regional power, but capable of defining the dominant sound of Rap nationwide.
Jay's verse on it is almost irrelevant, but the fact that arguably the most respected artist in rap hopped on that shyt was transformative.
Not to get too heady, but Globalism/the internet killed Rap. The size and cultural difference of the US made it so regional sounds dominated locally and every so often got national play. Obviously NY/LA were the first wave but even still rap from Nola, Memphis, Florida, Texas, Chicago, Detroit and other places were so vastly different from each other that it was damn near like discovering a new form of music each time you got exposed to an artist from another state.
400 Degreez dropped in '98. Think about how fukking different that is from It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, which dropped in the same year. But now because of streaming (and file sharing before it) people can get influenced by shyt from all over. Its why New York shyt over the past two to three years is LITERALLY just London Drill. And don't get me started on Migos (and 2 Chainz before them). shyt is all copy paste.
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Everybody is just chasin' the bag now, so instead of showcasing their unique flavor, they just lather, rinse, repeat what has shown to be the most profitable.
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The only validation that came from it was from labels grasping that there was money to be made outside of their then-established parameters. That "validation" talk is why you got the other (extreme) end of the spectrum from people like Pimp C who never let go of that condescending little-brother treatment and told everybody to kiss his backside. And he wasn't far wrong for doing it. If you're waiting on label politics and A&Rs and focus groups to tell you what music you should be making, you've already stagnated.
People keep forgetting the essence of what hip-hop has been from the start: okay, you don't want us in your thing, fine, we'll do our own thing over here. Every single time that principle has been applied, there's been growth and progress if not outright success.