If it is so easy for eminem to sell just because he is a white rapper....
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intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
Yeah, you know how these internet dudes are... straight up they dont even listen to 90% of the shyt they talk about...I've been saying this for 3 days now, if you're saying Eminem is lyrically superior than the Jays and Nas' based on his style then Twista better be in your top 5. But everybody's like
DaveyDave
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the Slim Shady LP is just the EP but with a few more songs on it and some Dre beats.
Lol bruh chill, everyone knows Em can rap.
And thats what pisses people off. That he was the first white rapper that can REALLY rap. Like spit up there with the best of them on his WORST day.
But instead of using that talent to make good songs, he started putting out bullshyt, sometimes not even trying.
What people get at is that, if any other rapper who had mad talent started putting out bullshyt he would get thefrom everyone and his career would be dead. But Eminems Cac stan base gives him passes so he continues to keep making that BS.
Thats all
Da fukk outta here....I don't share the opinion but it's people on here that talk like Jay has been everything from washed up since RD, to being washed since TBA blah blah blah...Jay and Em both have a brand, can't be mad at them for that, you like the music cool, you don't you don't.
I love Bis in his prime, he is not fukking with em as an overall artist/songwriter.
People resort to this argument as if there is really no separation in skill or even approach there...and you can't use the excuse of em having some kind of access to bigger budget beats because he's never rapped on the hottest shyt like that especially early on.
There is nothing stopping chino or bis from being eminem (not sales/success wise I mind you) besides them not being that fukking nice....period. People only pull that out of their ass either because they aren't fans and having been listening or because they need a talking point to downplay his talent to offset the hypebeast.
There's a middle ground there fellas...he's an underground MC that got polished up and progressed as a writer enough to blend in with mainstream acts, him having the opportunity is certainly due to him being white and marketable, but don't act like this cat isn't a rarity in the game, not everybody would be able to translate those skills from that underground lane into mainstream success, white or otherwise.
Out of any white rapper that was around at that time (cage/RA slug ect.) you couldn't plug any of those cats in into em's spot and get the same results, you couldn't do it with canibus either and get anything similar to a jay/nas or even a moderate success story in the game because he wouldn't have been able to translate his skillset into stardom.
SSLP was damn near finished product before he signed to aftermath, da fukk are you talking about?
He didn't suddenly get signed to aftermath and all of a sudden change artistic direction, he did that on his own accord and on his own time. Dre may have polished him up a bit for the NEXT album but that first album was all eminem for the most part.
I don't think Slim Shady EP sounds that much different from SSLP or even MMLP - his style still seemed similar.
Timing is everything.
Eminem had legit underground buzz when he first came out. Mix that with a heavy Dr. Dre co-sign and push from MTV and there you go.
There arent and havent been any other White rappers with the same machine behind them since. Closest one I can think of is Macklemore. If he came along in the late 90's era where fans were really buying having their choices dictated by MTV his numbers would be huge.
Eminem had legit underground buzz when he first came out. Mix that with a heavy Dr. Dre co-sign and push from MTV and there you go.
There arent and havent been any other White rappers with the same machine behind them since. Closest one I can think of is Macklemore. If he came along in the late 90's era where fans were really buying having their choices dictated by MTV his numbers would be huge.
I could be wrong here, but this doesn't make sense to me. He had already made and put out the SSEP. Why would he have re-recorded/re-made/re-released a slim shady album before even being signed? My Name Is, Guilty Conscience, and Role Model (all produced by Dre) were obviously not done. Only 3 tracks from the EP ended up on the LP.
Eminem was in the Rap Olympics on October 24, 1997 - and Jimmy Iovine gave Dre his demo tape shorty after that. Em signed with Aftermath on March 9, 1998. The SSLP didn't come out until February 23, 1999 (My Name Is came out on Jan 25).
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Big Skilly Films
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why do you white kids keep making these same exact threads...nikkas gave you the answer and you dumb fukks still dont get it...
when people say Eminem sells because he's white, it'ss not such much to do with his skills, but the type of music he makes
Irv Gotti said it the best when Lose yourself came out, he said it was backpack rap
A black guy rapping like Eminem would be considered corny and lame in Hip Hop, thats just the fact of the matter
especially at the time Eminem came out, a black rapper could not be on some super lyrical shyt and be successful
Canibus had some dope rhymes, but he is not a good artist at all so don't compare him
but imagine LL doing his entire career on some Mama said Knock you Out shyt, or everything minus the lover boy shyt he's known for
he would never have been as big
if Jay-Z kept making songs like the D'evils, and You Must Love me, he would not be as big even though those are some of his best songs
When Nas stopped making commercial type music, they said he fell off and wasn't shyt
but Eminem never has to drop hot club tracks, he just has to make the corny singles for his white audiences
The bottom line is if Eminem was black he would not be taking seriosly, maybe by the underground skater white fans, but not by blacks, and not by the mainstream because he never would've gotten recognition anyway.
You got people saying Eminem is the GOAT, when he gets ZERO BURN in the Urban Market, nobody bangs Eminem in the hood, he's never on any urban
radio stations, he does not have any classics you can throw at a BBQ and people will be happy. He's doesn't have long lasting music, he's a shock value artist, his songs are like South Park Episodes they rely on current events. I mean damn he still talking about Bill Clinton in his raps and fukking Columbine
he stuck in that time period. Dude is washed
Irv Gotti said it the best when Lose yourself came out, he said it was backpack rap
A black guy rapping like Eminem would be considered corny and lame in Hip Hop, thats just the fact of the matter
especially at the time Eminem came out, a black rapper could not be on some super lyrical shyt and be successful
Canibus had some dope rhymes, but he is not a good artist at all so don't compare him
but imagine LL doing his entire career on some Mama said Knock you Out shyt, or everything minus the lover boy shyt he's known for
he would never have been as big
if Jay-Z kept making songs like the D'evils, and You Must Love me, he would not be as big even though those are some of his best songs
When Nas stopped making commercial type music, they said he fell off and wasn't shyt
but Eminem never has to drop hot club tracks, he just has to make the corny singles for his white audiences
The bottom line is if Eminem was black he would not be taking seriosly, maybe by the underground skater white fans, but not by blacks, and not by the mainstream because he never would've gotten recognition anyway.
You got people saying Eminem is the GOAT, when he gets ZERO BURN in the Urban Market, nobody bangs Eminem in the hood, he's never on any urban
radio stations, he does not have any classics you can throw at a BBQ and people will be happy. He's doesn't have long lasting music, he's a shock value artist, his songs are like South Park Episodes they rely on current events. I mean damn he still talking about Bill Clinton in his raps and fukking Columbine
he stuck in that time period. Dude is washed
DaveyDave
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Em's style changed from Infinite to SSEP but not from SSEP to SSLP so you saying he changed AFTER he was signed is straight up bullshyt now 2 ways about it