if it weren't for Puffy, would Biggie be anything?

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Other than an average unknown rapper? Puffy had an education and experience in the record business and money. Big was a small time hustler eating sardines for dinner until he met Puff and Puff invented his whole style.

This is not a hate thread, im just trying to figure out where this guy really stands amongst the real legends
 

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the older i get the more props puff deserves. without puff ready to die wouldnt have sounded as dope as it was. big was a great mc, but albums are about songwriting, production, sounds. etc. i doubt big knew anything about that.

Most artists don't know shyt about song making, especially when it comes to rappers in the 90s. Most MCs back then came up and it was all about spittin and Biggie did that very well. Most artists need some kind of development, even 50 talks about how the Trackmasters taught home how to make a song because he would just write a million bars, most rappers came up like that.
 

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Other than an average unknown rapper?
I wouldnt call someone that gets added to the unsigned hype list by the source magazine "an average unknown rapper". of course he wasnt nearly as well known prior to signing to a label and meeting puff but he wasnt completely "unknown" or really just "average". he was gradually gaining momentum and rising in the underground scene

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/notorious.php
http://ittakesanationofmillionstoho...2/demos-biggie-smalls-unsigned-hype-demo.html

"The way Biggie’s demo tape got into the hands of Sean “Puffy” Combs is more elaborate than what is shown in the Notorious movie. After spending nine months in a North Carolina jail, a tape that Biggie recorded on a friend’s four-track fell into the hands of Mister Cee, a DJ working with Big Daddy Kane. Biggie had rapped over an old Big Daddy Kane beat (Kane was one of his favorite rappers). Cee passed the tape on to Matty at The Source magazine. As a result, Biggie Smalls acquired national attention when he was featured in the magazine’s March 1992 “Unsigned Hype” column, which introduced new rappers. Matty then passed the tape on to Sean “Puffy” Combs at Uptown Records after Puffy told him that he was looking for some hardcore rappers".
-AtlanticRecords.com
Big was a small time hustler
small time hustlers and "petty crooks" arent involved in shyt like this i wouldnt say http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/notorious.php ------->

"Biggie Smalls was arrested seven times. Biggie was first arrested in 1989 for carrying a loaded, unregistered firearm. He was sentenced to five years probation for the offense. He was arrested again in 1990 for violating his probation. In 1991, he was arrested in North Carolina for selling crack cocaine, and he spent nine months in jail". -The New York Times

http://hiphop.sh/biggie ----> "In 1990, he was arrested on a violation of his probation. His game moved up to trafficking the narcotics out to Virginia for a higher priced market. A year later at only seventeen, he was arrested in North Carolina with intent to distribute. For this he spent nine months in remand prison until he made bail. His hustle was persistent no matter the game."

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/09/notorious-big-early-days-ready-to-die ------------> "Biggie had no choice but to catch the Amtrak down to North Carolina where he had set up a lucrative spot that brought in $30,000 every two weeks."
"small time hustlers" and "petty crooks" pulling in 30 grand every two weeks? :usure:
 
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^^^ thats ducktales, Biggie ain't have no 30g spot.

Dude made his name telling convincing stories in an entertaining way. What makes you think his crack persona ain't ducktales?

He's revered cos he got merked, and despite his ability on the mic, he is not big time as a hustler.
 

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^^^ thats ducktales, Biggie ain't have no 30g spot.

Dude made his name telling convincing stories in an entertaining way. What makes you think his crack persona ain't ducktales?

He's revered cos he got merked, and despite his ability on the mic, he is not big time as a hustler.
so its ducktales huh? were you there? obviously i wasnt either but this is all documented and well known. do research. it cant be duck tales if records, people's accounts and documentation proves otherwise :manny:. btw that wasnt the only place where something very similar was reported. peep this as well.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/editorials/id.2562/title.10-crucial-facts-about-biggie-s-ready-to-die-

"It all ties together. He narrowly avoiding his North Carolina drug ring getting ambushed by authorities."

you call it ducktales but arent backing that claim up with anything. im saying it isnt ducktales yet i have something to back that up with
 
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so its ducktales huh? were you there? obviously i wasnt either but this is all documented and well known. do research. it cant be duck tales if records, people's accounts and documentation proves otherwise :manny:. btw that wasnt the only place where something very similar was reported. peep this as well.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/editorials/id.2562/title.10-crucial-facts-about-biggie-s-ready-to-die-

"It all ties together. He narrowly avoiding his North Carolina drug ring getting ambushed by authorities."

you call it ducktales but arent backing that claim up with anything. im saying it isnt ducktales yet i have something to back that up with
nikka, regardless, he wasn't successful in his endeavors so let's leave that alone.
 

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His music probably wouldn't have been as good but that doesn't take away from his mic skills.
 
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