If Jesus was real why is he absent from any historical texts?

[valet]

@SpikeLee Cumbersmith. Here's the quote. Where does it say that he claimed people talked about Jesus?

“Christus, from whom the name [Christians] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea…

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

@SpikeLee Cumbersmith. Here's the quote. Where does it say that he claimed people talked about Jesus?

“Christus, from whom the name [Christians] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea…

Was Christus the son of the Hebrew god? Don't just bite off part of my quote eat the whole meal. Tacticus talks of "a Christus" but doesn't provide evidence of him being the son of the Hebrew god, just a leader of a group of people. There's a reason why Hebrew didn't believe he was their Messiah.

 

[Loose]

The problem isn't that Jesus has no historical mentions - he's mentioned by Josephus as a Jewish religious figure/rebel killed by the Romans. The problem is that there is no mention beyond that. Surely if he rose from the dead it would be recorded by the same historian who noted his death. And if your argument is that the Romans censored the information then why did they allow Josephus to mention him at all?

Tbf Christians were persecuted during that time, so most of these stories were kept within their congregation

 

[Taadow]

Why yes, but a person who claims that there were only 66 isn't knowledgeable enough to have this conversation,are they?
Christian - French for I don't know ja CC k about biblical history.

Yes, because that means that only 66 are considered to be canonical.
That cannot even be debated at this point.

 

[Taadow]

There's a reason why Hebrew didn't believe he was their Messiah.

Which is what? Why did they think Jesus was a fraud?

 

[valet]

Was Christus the son of the Hebrew god? Don't just bite off part of my quote eat the whole meal. Tacticus talks of "a Christus" but doesn't provide evidence of him being the son of the Hebrew god, just a leader of a group of people. There's a reason why Hebrew didn't believe he was their Messiah.

No this quote doesn't prove he was the Son of God. But it does provide evidence that there was movement of Christians. And this Christus was crucified. Which lines up with the Christian account claim.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

No this quote doesn't prove he was the Son of God. But it does provide evidence that there was movement of Christians. And this Christus was crucified. Which lines up with the Christian account claim.

Are you aware that even the biblical Jesus warned of imposters? We know that there was a Nero. We also know that there were a few impersonators.
Tacitus was born decades after the crucifixion of this this figure, so at best he is relating a story that he heard.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

Which is what? Why did they think Jesus was a fraud?

Because he didn't fulfill any of the prophecy from the Old Testament. They thought that he was a fraud and that is why they let the Roman's have him.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

Yes, because that means that only 66 are considered to be canonical.
That cannot even be debated at this point.

Canonical by whom? It was a power move to get those books to be included and the others tossed aside. Another power move can make the same difference. Are you aware that Catholics and Baptists don't use the same bible? The Greek Orthodox have their own? The Ethiopians as well?

 

[Taadow]

Because he didn't fulfill any of the prophecy from the Old Testament. They thought that he was a fraud and that is why they let the Roman's have him.

which is absolutely false. Lol

You clearly haven’t read The Bible.











Sit down…next to those Hebrews

 

[valet]

Are you aware that even the biblical Jesus warned of imposters? We know that there was a Nero. We also know that there were a few impersonators.
Tacitus was born decades after the crucifixion of this this figure, so at best he is relating a story that he heard.

Sure Im aware that the biblical Jesus warned there are impersonators. Yes there were false Christ, Messiah. But I dont see what that proves with his quote.
Maybe Im missing your point.

All I'm saying it shows there was a christian movement. That "figure" to use your words was crucified under Pontious Pilate. Which fits under the claim of the Bible.

As far as Tacitus living decades after Jesus. Sure. But thats not unique with historians and reliability. We believe other historians who lived even a 100 years after that person died.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

which is absolutely false. Lol

You clearly haven’t read The Bible.











Sit down…next to those Hebrews

Which prophecy did he fulfill?

 

[B...]

Which prophecy did he fulfill?

Bruh.. the entire OT is basically a foreshadow of his birth & ultimate sacrifice.. which he came & fulfilled him laying down his life is what set free humanity from spiritual death through his blood.. which is life of the flesh.

 

[B...]

@kp404 care to refute what I said? & oh you must not know how gangsta the spiritual realm is.. much realer than the dimension you’re currently in.