If Kamala had won....

[StackorStarve]

I think the whole civil war/separation talk we’re having now because of Charlie Kirk’s death would’ve happened as soon as she was sworn in and it’d probably be at boiling points now. I don’t think a war would actually break out but there would be widespread rally’s and shootings by cacs. We wouldn’t have tariffs. Israel probably would’ve been reined in by now.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Incredible

Some of y'all still shytting on Kamala and the Democratic party. Y'all like some battered wives when it comes to Trump and the open racists. Something attractive to you about abuse.

The epidemic that will bring this country down is pure stupidity.

To answer the question: what we are seeing and are about to see would have been avoided and Trump would prolly be a thing of the past by the time this term is over.

The way it stands now the Repubs are going to fuk shyt up for years to come even if we get them out the paint in 28.. which we might not have a chance to. I still think they rigged this election.

It’s always “things would’ve been better with Kamala but”……..”Democrats aren’t as bad as Republicans but”….…”I not saying Trump isn’t terrible but”.

It’s always a but with these dudes and it’s because they’re trying to soften up the conversation for why Trump isn’t that bad.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

It’s funny how the shutdown is 100% democrats fault now. Everybody been shytting on them saying they are weak and have no power. They shut the government down though by themselves.. hilarious

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Surprised no one actually made an AI video showing what could’ve been

 

[Ish Gibor]

No she wasn't and no one insinuated that she was but by the time Biden finally dropped out, it was too late to have a primary and the campaign apparatus of the democrat party (campaign staffers, research, donations etc) went to Kamala who was already part of the Biden 2024 campaign. In hindsight it was the wrong decision but the logic behind it at the time made sense

There was no democratic process to primaries. But let's say hypothetically, the Dems had been prepping other nominees as future presidential nominees, they probably would have had better candidates.

Biden is ultimately to blame for running for 2nd term

I agree, although his 1st term was spiteful as well. The man said some crazy stuff (to the Black voter base).

ChatGTP 5 (automated setting). Do yo agree?

Democrats most likely to run in the future (2028+), based on current speculation:

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Strongest Likely Contenders​

• Gavin Newsom– Governor of California
  • Actively visiting early-primary states (South Carolina, Iowa).
  • High national profile, often leading speculative polls.
• Pete Buttigieg– Former Transportation Secretary, 2020 presidential candidate
  • Still active in Democratic politics and media.
  • Appeals to moderates, already has campaign experience.
• Kamala Harris– Former Vice President
  • National recognition, past VP role.
  • Mixed record; could run again but carries baggage from 2024.

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Other Prominent Names Mentioned​

• Andy Beshear– Governor of Kentucky
  • Won twice in a red-leaning state, appeals to moderates.
• Gretchen Whitmer– Governor of Michigan
  • Swing-state leader, strong record in the Midwest.
• JB Pritzker– Governor of Illinois
  • Wealthy, well-connected, could self-fund.
• Josh Shapiro– Governor of Pennsylvania
  • Rising star in a key battleground state.
• Cory Booker– Senator from New Jersey
  • Ran in 2020, still a recognized voice.
• Ro Khanna– Congressman from California
  • Popular with progressives, close to Bernie’s wing.

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Long-Shot / Speculative Mentions​

• Amy Klobuchar (Senator, Minnesota)
• Chris Murphy (Senator, Connecticut)
• Mark Cuban (entrepreneur, sometimes floated as outsider)

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Would you like me to make this into a visual table ranking them by:

• Likelihood (High / Medium / Low),
• Strengths, and
• Challenges
  so you can see at a glance who’s best positioned?

Perfect — here’s a visual table showing the Democrats most often mentioned for 2028+, with a quick likelihood ranking, strengths, and challenges:

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Future Democratic Presidential Contenders​

Candidate	Likelihood	Strengths	Challenges
Gavin Newsom (CA Governor)	High	National name recognition, strong fundraising, already active in early states.	Seen as “too California,” polarizing outside blue states.
Pete Buttigieg (former Transportation Sec., 2020 candidate)	High	Past campaign experience, moderate appeal, media-savvy.	Needs stronger base with working-class & minority voters.
Kamala Harris (former VP)	Medium	High profile, established connections, historic figure.	Mixed record as VP, carries baggage from 2024 loss.
Gretchen Whitmer (MI Governor)	Medium	Swing-state leader, strong Midwest appeal, effective governance record.	Limited national exposure so far.
Andy Beshear (KY Governor)	Medium	Proven ability to win in red states, moderate unifier image.	Lower name recognition nationally, fundraising question.
JB Pritzker (IL Governor)	Medium	Wealthy (can self-fund), proven governor, connections in DNC.	May struggle to connect with grassroots voters.
Josh Shapiro (PA Governor)	Medium-Low	Swing-state executive, young rising star, good communicator.	Still new on national stage, would need rapid profile growth.
Cory Booker (NJ Senator)	Low	Experienced campaigner, strong speaker, appeals to progressives & moderates.	2020 run fizzled, may not energize the base.
Ro Khanna (CA Congressman)	Low	Progressive favorite, connected to Bernie’s movement, tech-savvy.	Not well known nationally, less executive experience.

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At a glance:

• Most likely: Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg
• Strong maybes: Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear
• Rising but unproven: Josh Shapiro, JB Pritzker
• Long shots: Booker, Khanna

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Do you want me to also build you a timeline of when each could realistically announce (2026 exploratory committees → 2027 debates → 2028 primaries), so you’ll know when to watch for moves?

Great — here’s a projected timeline for how Democratic contenders for 2028 could realistically announce and move toward the primaries.

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Projected 2028 Democratic Nomination Timeline​

2025–2026 (Positioning Phase)​

• Potential candidates test the waters: visiting Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina.
• They publish books, headline fundraisers, or take high-profile media spots.
• Behind the scenes: build donor networks, test polling, and quietly assemble staff.
• Likely moves:
  • Gavin Newsom continues national travel.
  • Pete Buttigieg ramps up speaking appearances.
  • Whitmer / Beshear / Shapiro keep governing to showcase records.

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Early 2027 (Exploratory Committees)​

• Serious contenders form exploratory committees → allows fundraising and polling.
• Major endorsements begin shifting (unions, governors, key party leaders).
• Quiet competition to lock down big donors and activists.
• Expect announcements from: Newsom, Buttigieg, Whitmer, Beshear, Pritzker.

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Mid–Late 2027 (Official Announcements)​

• Candidates officially launch presidential campaigns with rallies in key states.
• First debates often occur by summer/fall 2027.
• Media starts defining “top tier” vs. “long shots.”

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Early 2028 (Primary Elections Begin)​

• Iowa Caucus (Jan/Feb 2028) — often sets early momentum.
• New Hampshire Primary (Feb 2028).
• South Carolina / Nevada follow — critical for diverse voter appeal.
• Super Tuesday (March 2028): a dozen+ states vote, usually decisive.

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Summer 2028 (Convention Season)​

• By this point, one candidate usually has a delegate majority.
• Democratic National Convention (July/Aug 2028):
  • Party formally nominates the presidential candidate.
  • Running mate (VP choice) is announced.

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Fall 2028 (General Election Campaign)​

• Nominee debates Republican challenger.
• Focus turns from Democratic rivals → to winning over independents, moderates, and battleground states.
• Election Day: November 7, 2028.

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So in short:

• 2026 = positioning.
• Early 2027 = exploratory committees.
• Mid–late 2027 = official launches + debates.
• Early 2028 = primaries.
• Summer 2028 = convention.
• Nov 2028 = election.

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Perfect — here’s a candidate-by-candidate timeline for the most likely Democratic contenders in 2028, showing what they’re expected to do in each phase:

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[Ish Gibor]

No she wasn't and no one insinuated that she was but by the time Biden finally dropped out, it was too late to have a primary and the campaign apparatus of the democrat party (campaign staffers, research, donations etc) went to Kamala who was already part of the Biden 2024 campaign. In hindsight it was the wrong decision but the logic behind it at the time made sense

Biden is ultimately to blame for running for 2nd term

Part 2.

2028 Democratic Contender Roadmap​

2025–2026 (Positioning Phase)​

• Gavin Newsom → Continues visiting swing/early states, raises national profile, defends CA policies.
• Pete Buttigieg → Media presence, book tours, keeps moderate lane open, builds donor contacts.
• Kamala Harris → Speaks at major events, leverages VP legacy, tries to rebuild image.
• Gretchen Whitmer → Focuses on governing Michigan well, pushes Midwest swing-state credentials.
• Andy Beshear → Promotes bipartisan wins in Kentucky, builds “red-state Democrat” brand.
• Josh Shapiro → Expands PA record, works national media to grow recognition.
• JB Pritzker → Uses wealth to fund Democratic events, builds goodwill across party.

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Early 2027 (Exploratory Committees)​

• Newsom → Very likely to file first, showing strength.
• Buttigieg → Tests fundraising base, sees if 2020 network holds up.
• Whitmer → May test waters quietly, weighing family/privacy against national ambitions.
• Beshear → Could file late, gauging moderate lane and Biden-Dem crossover appeal.
• Shapiro → Possibly files exploratory, but may wait until 2032 if not ready.
• Pritzker → Uses exploratory as soft entry, leveraging self-funding ability.
• Harris → If she wants redemption, this is when she must re-enter.

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Mid–Late 2027 (Official Announcements + Debates)​

• Major Campaign Launches: Expect Newsom and Buttigieg to go first with large rallies in Iowa/New Hampshire.
• Whitmer could officially announce from Michigan, selling Midwest electability.
• Beshear and Shapiro may enter later, emphasizing moderation.
• Pritzker might enter as a “big donor’s choice.”
• Harris would re-frame as “unfinished business” candidate.
• Debates begin (summer/fall 2027): Top tier likely: Newsom, Buttigieg, Whitmer, maybe Harris.

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Early 2028 (Primaries Begin)​

• Iowa: Buttigieg (strong 2020 showing) and Beshear (moderate appeal) may compete.
• New Hampshire: Newsom and Whitmer target college-educated and progressive voters.
• South Carolina: Harris and Buttigieg push for minority + moderate support.
• Super Tuesday (March 2028):
  
  • Newsom’s money + California base gives him a big edge.
  • Whitmer + Shapiro try to win Midwest.
  • Harris’s viability tested — if she can’t win big here, she’s likely out.
    

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Summer 2028 (Convention)​

• By now, one or two candidates dominate delegate counts (likely Newsom or Buttigieg).
• VP choices balance ticket:
  
  • Newsom could pick Whitmer or Beshear for Midwest appeal.
  • Buttigieg could pick a governor (Shapiro, Whitmer) for executive credibility.
  • If Harris runs but loses, she’s unlikely to be chosen as VP again.
    

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Fall 2028 (General Election)​

• Nominee (likely Newsom or Buttigieg) faces GOP nominee.
• Campaign framed as: “Next-gen Democrat vs. post-Trump Republican.”
• Whitmer, Shapiro, Beshear could play roles as key surrogates if not nominated.

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At a glance — likely trajectory:

• Front-runners: Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg.
• Strong challengers: Whitmer, Beshear.
• Wildcard: Kamala Harris (depends on whether she re-enters).
• Dark horses: Shapiro, Pritzker.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Kamala is only in that position because she made "race" points during a debate with Biden in 2019 - thus shoring up the most loyal members of the Democrats - Black Women. It was a cynical race-based pick then, and it backfired in their faces. Susan Rice, Gretchen Whitmer, and Elizabeth Warren were other choices, each with their own drawbacks.

Had Joe run in the democratic primary against Hillary....

But it was her turn....

I agree.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

I know these next 3 years are going to be an elephant diarrhea shyt show, but... Anyone ever think maybe we might need to go through this to reassess our priorities? The country and people in general were on a crash course.

Even with Kamala, this country in general was on a bad path. Although Trump is a completely different anomaly, he's also exposing the rot that was sitting just beneath the surface.

We're not going back to a 1945-2024 America. We can do what we want with that if we ever get out from under baby hands vice grip.

Yes, this is a generational toxin. It’s only coming out by being purged out. Suppressing it will only make it linger longer.

It’s like the book Foundation. You can have 1,000 years of instability, or you can have 100,000.

 

[JT-Money]

Ya'll need to move on.


Now you drumming up fantasies

This is embarrassing even for shills. You know you've hit rock bottom when reminiscing over Kamala Harris.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

I hated this song so much
Kurupt must’ve been desperate

I use to hate this song also, because they use to play it so much back then on the radio.

 

[TripleAgent]

NYC would be officially named New Venezuela.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

People criticize other people for not voting the problem is when some of you don’t get the results you wanted you blame others.

If you don't vote you are a problem. It's war. If I'm in the battlefield fighting I'm not about to go and dap up folks who put their weapons down to go sit in a rice field and eat MREs. It's an ideological war. Folks need to at the very least fight back by voting. You put your weapon away you might as well be on the other side as far as I'm concerned. I give it to them....they fight and don't need a lot of hand holding to get up and do it. Every day we slip further and further into fascism. That sentence would have been a joke 25 years ago. Now it's real spit. Minorities always suffer under fascist rule. Always. If you are white I can understand the apathy because in the end it's whatever for you. But minorities need to move smarter than that.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

We still have both siders in here after all we have witnessed. Honey chiiiiiile honey chiiiiiiile! At this point they are on par or worse than maga supporters with how they cling to their belief system.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

Since when does a Coli breh get to determine what "I needed to say" especially when everything I said about her is objectively verifiable.


Whats your definition of "Both Sider" and how am I "running interference for Trump"?

She lost because the Republicans played up the 'economy' angle. It was a smart thing to do politically. Helped Clinton in '92 immensely.

But if the economy is hurting and you elect someone talking about tariffs you need your head examined. Widespread tariffs led to the Great Depression. Also on that note what has Trump done to curb abortions? I rest my case. Please just stop.

 

[horizon]

It's impossible to discuss politics with the baby brains on this website. Yes, Trump is terrible. But as we've seen twice now, "Trump sucks" is not a winning campaign because somehow the opposition party managed to lose to the worst candidate ever twice.