If LeBron Loses #6 This Year

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

But I just don't see what having help has to do with being GOAT. If Jordan was never joined by another all star his whole career and didn't win a finals does that mean he can't be GOAT even though he is the exact same player, person, etc? If another 1st team all NBA player joins the jazz for the minimum does that detract from Jordan's greatness? I don't see what all that shyt has to do with how you view greatness.

Did you actually read the arguement or did you just see some criticism of Bron and hopped in? And are you reading what you write? Yes everybody including Jordan and Kareem had help, however Jordan Crushed everybody in his path and brought the greatest basketball ever. Lebron did not and is a expected to lose everytime. How you the goat but can’t dominate at the highest levels with teams you help handcraft at that? In a wack eastern conference you dominate every year at that? Stop acting great you don’t know what discussions people have when you discuss goats. Even in football, the quarterback GOAT debate(Brady Montana) always usually has a debate about rings. When you are considered the greatest in terms of legacy, you have achieved and accomplished what most others haven’t.

 

[Kimo_bud]

nikka gonna be the Buffalo bills of the nba

 

[TrebleMan]

End of the day, Lebron is an atg.

That said, there are plenty other players I'd build my all-time team around over Lebron.

 

[brick james]

Did you actually read the arguement or did you just see some criticism of Bron and hopped in? And are you reading what you write? Yes everybody including Jordan and Kareem had help, however Jordan Crushed everybody in his path and brought the greatest basketball ever. Lebron did not and is a expected to lose everytime. How you the goat but can’t dominate at the highest levels with teams you help handcraft at that? In a wack eastern conference you dominate every year at that? Stop acting great you don’t know what discussions people have when you discuss goats. Even in football, the quarterback GOAT debate(Brady Montana) always usually has a debate about rings. When you are considered the greatest in terms of legacy, you have achieved and accomplished what most others haven’t.

I read your argument its just not a very cohesive one. You literally have no objective qualifications for when someone is worthy of getting criticism for not winning a championship. You pick and choose at will when its ok to criticize Jordan and Kobe for not winning, even if we disregard any criticism of Lebron.

On a side note, why would you even bring up Kareem having help. he won a chip as the help breh. That nikka fukked around and almost averaged less boards than the point gawd that last chip season

 

[etrofllenrod504]

His legacy cemented. Don't matter what or what doesn't happen moving forward. Brought a title to the Cavs and beat the 73-9 Warriors, on top of putting up legendary #'s for his career.Stoping moving the goal post.

 

[Curtis Nightfish]

in the offseason - "I'm chasing a ghost"

in the playoffs last year staring L #5 in the face

"I got nothing to prove"

^GOAT^

 

[Wacky D]

anybody notice that basketball is the only sport where you see braindead arguments like these?

 

[Curtis Nightfish]

Being 3-5 in the Finals means Bron ain't better than MJ? Ok you can make that argument. But who else is in the GOAT convo where 3-5 is some shameful number? Bird and Magic played with HOF teammates literally their entire careers and not just one, they had whole lineups in the Hall and still lost 3 and 4 Finals respectively. Kareem? Same. What's stupid is people ignoring all context about the teams they were on. Bron has, IMO lost exactly 1 Finals where his team should've won or even could've won and that's the Mavs series. His teams had basically no shot in the others he lost. He was amazing in 15 and 17 and they lost in 5 and 6. He was great the first Cle Finals with that garbage team he dragged there but idiots somehow hold that against him

And if Kawhi sinks some free throws LeBron doesn't even have 3.

And if Draymond doesn't get suspended LeBron doesn't even have 2.

We can play this what if game all night.

 

[Looty]

anybody notice that basketball is the only sport where you see braindead arguments like these?

 

[South Paw]

His legacy cemented. Don't matter what or what doesn't happen moving forward. Brought a title to the Cavs and beat the 73-9 Warriors, on top of putting up legendary #'s for his career.Stoping moving the goal post.

this is what makes bron stans great. if he win another title he s cemented as goat in their mind, but he can't move backwards if he loses. amazing

 

[Verbal Kint]

And if Kawhi sinks some free throws LeBron doesn't even have 3.

And if Draymond doesn't get suspended LeBron doesn't even have 2.

We can play this what if game all night.

that has nothing to do with the point I made :beybey:

 

[Verbal Kint]

So your acknowledging that the East being weak helped Lebron if the logic doesn’t make sense, cause if Lebron and his team are the best out of his conference, and they are facing the best out the others conference. Than it’s a even playing field right?

Son that has nothing to do with the strength of the individual teams. Ohio State was the best team in the B1G this year. That doesn't mean they 'should' beat the best team in the SEC . The point was clearly that just because you were better than the other teams you faced doesn't mean you can't be clearly inferior to the next one. GSW has been historically good for 3 years. Saying 'well you won the East so that means you're good enough to beat one of the 5-10 best teams ever' is just stupid

Oh wait.... nobody thought those Cavs was good enough to beat the Spurs in 07 and only made it to the finals cause the East was ass compared to the West and top eastern teams weren’t as good as the top out the West? Am I right? Oh I am? Good

Naw son. You're not. Nobody thought the Cavs were even good enough to get out of the ECF but Bron dragged them kicking and screaming to the Finals. And again, just because the western champ is great doesn't mean that the east is trash. Maybe they were but your logic is faulty.

I’m sorry but I’m sick of these excuses that we don’t use for nobody else. You say Lebron lost to teams that were clearly better, nikka just about 80% of teams loses to a team because the team were better. DUHHHH that shyt didn’t start or end with Lebron nikka that’s losing in general. So if we implying this excuse with Lebron, why not apply that with everybody who ever lost anything to somebody who was better. Of course nobody will ever do that. Lebron plays “LeGM” in these teams too and has a hand in changing the rosters, so a lot of those “team losses” is on him as well.

You slow nikka? That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm saying it's stupid to judge players by Finals losses because it's an accomplishment to get there in the first place. I'm saying everyone other than Jordan (in terms of those in the GOAT discussion) lost in the Finals and they all lost winnable series. On top of that even Jordan lost in the playoffs for like 8 years but people stupidly knock Bron for actually advancing further in the playoffs. It is utterly stupid in every way.

Yes, the warriors are better than any team Jordan faced. And? Lebron has only one title where he completely whiped out a team. 2013, the Heat barely escaped game 6. 2016 he needed to come back down from a 3-1 lead. So two out of the 3 rings he won were just barely in his grasp.

So now you're saying the man didn't win by a big enough margin? :nananan:

The only time Lebron ever had a “real shot” by your terms was in 2011, and he STILL lost and no. He had about 6 finals where he had a good team. Only 2007 and 2015 is where he was truly at a disadvantage.

Everything else you said is excuses.
We judge other players for the same shyt we do Bron and we will continue too. fukk is you the GOAT but never expected to win although you have had two all stars in 6 out of 8 finals your ass been in?

So you really tryna claim 2017 Cavs v Warriors was an even matchup :beybey:
:mjlolvk:

 

[THE MACHINE]

I was born in 1980. Been watching the NBA for 30 years now.

Truth hurts. Would be better to just lose in the ecf than to be 3-6

It's that way because you are being delusional to spite Bron

You have your own opinion, why not say it's better to lose in the finals than the ecf....you know, the truth.
He has 3 titles as the man and 3 Finals MVPs, he is a lock in the top 3 for a while unless KD runs up 3 or 4 more as the best player on GSW.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Son that has nothing to do with the strength of the individual teams. Ohio State was the best team in the B1G this year. That doesn't mean they 'should' beat the best team in the SEC . The point was clearly that just because you were better than the other teams you faced doesn't mean you can't be clearly inferior to the next one. GSW has been historically good for 3 years. Saying 'well you won the East so that means you're good enough to beat one of the 5-10 best teams ever' is just stupid


Naw son. You're not. Nobody thought the Cavs were even good enough to get out of the ECF but Bron dragged them kicking and screaming to the Finals. And again, just because the western champ is great doesn't mean that the east is trash. Maybe they were but your logic is faulty.





You slow nikka? That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm saying it's stupid to judge players by Finals losses because it's an accomplishment to get there in the first place. I'm saying everyone other than Jordan (in terms of those in the GOAT discussion) lost in the Finals and they all lost winnable series. On top of that even Jordan lost in the playoffs for like 8 years but people stupidly knock Bron for actually advancing further in the playoffs. It is utterly stupid in every way.




So now you're saying the man didn't win by a big enough margin? :nananan:


So you really tryna claim 2017 Cavs v Warriors was an even matchup :beybey:
:mjlolvk:

I figured the warriors would win, however Lebron the “goat” that defied history before right? So who knew really. Also, i and many others were saying the Cavs were making it last season. I never believed Toronto or celtics stood a chance. Them cavs almost swept they’re way to the finals. Also again, why are we changing the rules on what the goat is? The goal is championshios right ? No we won’t soley base everything on rings, but rings play a major part. Stop being stupid nikka you know this. We not change the rules to uplift Bron. We held every other player by this standard so we going to do the same with Bron especially since, unlike every ther player, Bron has consistency in being called the goat. I’m not saying he didn’t win by a big enough margin...well actually I am. Jordan dominated every finals, he dominated everybody in his path.. Lebron barely escaped in 2 out of his 3. A Win is a win however when you make the comparison, that has to be taken in to consideration. Also Bron himself said he rather lose in the playoffs than the finals. Finals Ls are more affective than playoff Ls when we talk the goat. When we talk the goat, we expect you to make the playoffs, what happens after is what matters. Lebron didn’t even make the playoffs his first 3 years, when he did make the finals, he got swept, didn’t make it back again until he went to miami. So Bron’s first 7 seasons weren’t the that much better than Jordan’s as many Bron stans try to say. Only now is playoff losses all of sudden more important than finals wins cause we trying to excuse Bron. Naw we ain’t do this for Kobe, duncan, Shaq or anybody else so stop with the Bron special treatment. Lebron was helped by a weak eastern conference and lost to the top of the top out west more than he beat them, and when he did win, he needed anything short of a miracle to beat the spurs and especially the warriors.. you have your opinion and I have mines. The difference is held every other player including Kobe to that standard. I been knew Kobe was not better than Jordan or even top 3, whether as I do say Lebron is too 2-4. Bron can never be the goat and me and you going to have to agree to disagree

 

[Stick Up Kid]

It's that way because you are being delusional to spite Bron

You have your own opinion, why not say it's better to lose in the finals than the ecf....you know, the truth.
He has 3 titles as the man and 3 Finals MVPs, he is a lock in the top 3 for a while unless KD runs up 3 or 4 more as the best player on GSW.

5 finals losses overshadow the 3 cheap rings he got with his superteams