If LeBron Loses to GS: That's 3 Finals Losses in 4 Years

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The warriors are an All Star team

Kobe didnt drop in the all time ranking list for losing to the Celtics in 08

Cavs set and Bron stans were taking cash shyt after the Christmas game tho, about how the KD addition didn't matter because he and Curry will always be betas :francis:

y'all only began to change your tune after the rubber match in January :pachaha:

then the Warriors went through a skid when KD first went down and it went back to what it was originally, a brunch of Bron dikkeating and mad posts saying Bron could beat this Warriors team as currently constructed with KD.


you can't have it both ways, is it oochie wally or one mic?


I believe @Gil Scott-Heroin has the receipts :manny:
 

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It makes perfect sense. If you want to argue hes the greatest of all-time and he's far and away the best player in the NBA, he can not continually lose to teams with "inferior" players. If he loses to GS for a 2nd time against "Beta" non rival Steph Curry and "Beta" Durant he's a fraud.

The fukk? MJ is the GOAT but a bunch of elite individuals can still outplay one transcendent player.

MJ was the best individual player against them Bad Boys Pistons.

Curry and Durant are the 2nd and third best players in the NBA (With 3 MVPS beneath them) anchored by a DPOTY.
 

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The fukk? MJ is the GOAT but a bunch of elite individuals can still outplay one transcendent player.

MJ was the best individual player against them Bad Boys Pistons.

Curry and Durant are the 2nd and third best players in the NBA (With 3 MVPS beneath them) anchored by a DPOTY.
At that point in time MJ was not the goat. A lot didn't see him as being better than Bird or Magic, just a high flying, showboating, ballhogging loser.
 

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im loling hard at this for some reason :russ:
 

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Dam crazy run but all this tells me is that if the MAVs could do all that I don't want to keep hearing how bron and his all stars didn't have a chance in the finals he loss.

Why, when they were completely different teams?

The Mavs were pretty much a perfectly constructed team. On offense they had a fantastic go-to primary scorer (Dirk), and a very good secondary scorer (Jason Terry). They had an excellent court manager running the point (Kidd) plus a secondary ballhandler (Terry) and a very good chance-of-pace backup point (Barea). They had a strong lineup of shooters (Dirk, Terry, Barea, Peja, Kidd, Stevenson) as well as guys who could get some buckets inside (Marion, Chandler, Haywood).

On defense they had one of the best defensive big men in the league (Chandler) plus a backup big man who could hold his own strongly (Haywood), multiple swingmen with strong defensive credential to throw at Bron (Marion, Stevenson), and generally a highly intelligent, veteran team that could run the most advanced zone in the NBA that year to perfection.

They also had two fantastic rebounders in their bigs (Chandler and Haywood) along with the best rebounding swingman in NBA history (Marion) and even a strong rebounder at the point (Kidd).

And on top of all that, they had solid veteran coaching.

They only had one big "star". But stars don't determine success, as the 2004 and 2014 playoffs also should have pointed out. Having a well-constructed team is a greater barometer of playoff success than being top-heavy.



The Cavs had the biggest star on the court, and two other all-stars. But they were a horribly constructed team. They only had one good shooter (Miller), and he was hurt (young Chalmers was "kind of" a shooter). They didn't have anyone at the point who could run the offense so they had to lean on Lebron and Wade. They didn't have any big men who could defend. They didn't have any big men who could rebound well. They relied on Lebron to be their primary scorer (at least 1a), primary ballhandler, best perimeter/swing defender, best rim protector, and one of their best rebounders. When he wasn't shooting well and didn't have other shooters to spread the floor, it played into the Dallas zone perfectly. And on the other end, they just didn't have the personnel to shut down all the Mavs at once.

They still could have won the series if Lebron had shot better and a few plays had gone the other way. But if you're relying on the outside shooting of 2011 Lebron to win, when you have Lebron/Wade/Bosh on the floor, then you've really done a poor job of constructing the team. The Miller/Haslem injuries certainly hurt them. But they should have made a much greater effort to find adequate ballhanders, shooters, and interior defenders to fill out a real team. In a sense, Lebron did do this to himself, as he chose to match up with Wade and Bosh, who are fairly poor complements for his skills. Chicago, even though he isn't a perfect match with Rose, overall would have been a far more stacked team.
 

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This is the stupidity of caring about finals losses as opposed to losses in other rounds.

Some of y'all fools would rather more highly regard LeBron if the Cavs lose to the Celtics instead of losing to the Warriors. Pure lunacy :dahell:

I think it's an artifact of sports shows having a bunch of rings sitting around on TV claiming you have to have rings to be great.
 

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Instead he should lose in the 1st round 3 straight years like a real goat. :mjgrin:

Do yall nikkas even realize how ridiculous you sound? :what:

That's like Kim K leaving Kanye and a nikka saying "he lost Amber Rose and Kim Kardashian" while the nikka at home beating his meat. :why:
 

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you implying the Mavs were the favorites over the Heat? :mjlol:

If you knew hoops they were I made good bank betting on the mavs that year I knew during that lakers series that they were the best team their depth,ball movement,shooting,defense and coaching was unmatched all Miami had was bron,wade and a bosh who tends to disappear their bench was trash and they had a super washed bibby starting and Joel Anthony who's not even good enough to be a sixth man starting Lebron choking just made it that much easier
 

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It makes perfect sense. If you want to argue hes the greatest of all-time and he's far and away the best player in the NBA, he can not continually lose to teams with "inferior" players. If he loses to GS for a 2nd time against "Beta" non rival Steph Curry and "Beta" Durant he's a fraud.

:gucci: Stop me when I name an inferior player steph,kd,draymond,klay,kawhi,duncan,ginobli,Parker,dirk

This ain't the early 2000's where the nets second best player was kmart
Or phillys second best scorer was aaron McKee
 

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neither can someone that went 6-0 in the finals...cause there is no GOAT in a team sport....

They're can definitely be a goat player people just need to stop valuing team accomplishments over individual performance and awards when judging players, but most people don't know hoops so continue on with the bullshyt
 
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