If lebron win a ring this year I'll put him neck and neck with MJ

[AITheAnswerAI]

Posters in here turning their nose up at even making the finals.

Most players in the NBA never even make it to the finals, much less win it even once.

You can say he should have won against the Mavs in 11, but other then that he lost to some great teams. Hell, that Golden State team was doing shyt that's never been done.

 

[camer999]

Well until those next 2 or 3 seasons come. As of today, May 7th 2017. Lebron ain't the Goat
To answer your question about why Jordan gets leeway, listen to Lebron talk about it then that's your answer


6:05

And what are you Bron stans trying to accomplished making that "losing first round is worse" arguement, as if Lebron didn't indirectly shut down that narrative in the video above.

Are you saying Jordan playoff loses should count as final loses and give Lebron some leeway? What type of rule bending bullshyt is this to make Lebron look great? You don't see nobody say that shyt with Tom Brady vs Joe Montana.

Yea nikkas say "but Joe is undefeated" but guess what? Tom won 1 more than Joe. Lebron is 3 finals and FMVPs behind Jordan. Nobody bends the rules for Brady.
"But but but but Brady been to more superbowls" said by nobody.

Are you saying lebron's finals appearances should give him the benefit of the doubt? Jordan is 6-0 Lebron been to one more finals and lost 3 more.

What are you trying to accomplish here? Don't even bring up Chris Paul either. He never won anything. Jordan won 3 by Paul's age.

Lmao bro are you thinking logically he only said it's better because you don't feel as bad for losing. Also common sense states that a team that makes it further in a tournament is better than a team that gets knocked out early. I'm only saying that his play off losses should count as well. I also only said 2-3 more seasons cause if bron wins this one like the title he'll be neck and neck for the title of GOAT if he ever reaches 5 he takes it taking into account prime years left that's probably 2-3 seasons.

 

[Two Stacks]

Three simple and short reasons why Lebron can never be better than Jordan:

1. 6 Rings, 6 Finals MVPs, may have been 7 or 8 had he never retired in the early 90s.

2. You knew he was the best player on the floor on either team no debate needed.

3. At crunch time, the whole arena knew he was getting the ball and you still couldn't stop him.

 

[Randoug]

Jazz was the best team Jordan faced in his 6 win tenure

Bulls were always favored to win in each of those finals

Jordan never faced all time great teams in the 6 finals he won

Jordan had some terrible postseason losses before his 2 3peats

nikkas love to act like bulls weren't a superteam playing against merely good teams

Stop trying to make Jordan some kinda fairy tale hero

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Lmao bro are you thinking logically he only said it's better because you don't feel as bad for losing. Also common sense states that a team that makes it further in a tournament is better than a team that gets knocked out early. I'm only saying that his play off losses should count as well. I also only said 2-3 more seasons cause if bron wins this one like the title he'll be neck and neck for the title of GOAT if he ever reaches 5 he takes it taking into account prime years left that's probably 2-3 seasons.

So why the hell do you Bron stans ask is losing in the playoffs worse than losing in the finals?? So you acknowledge losing in the finals hurts more than losing in the playoffs? You acknowledge that lebron himself said he rather not even make the playoffs than to lose in the finals? You acknowledge that finals losses are more significant than playoff losses which is why lebron said he rather not make the playoffs at alll?

You acknowledge all of that? Right? So tell me why the hell is this "first round" bullshyt even a topic of discussion if you I anddddddd Lebron his damn self knows that's bullshyt? If losing in the first round is as bad as losing in the finals, why would Bron rather LOSE IN THE PLAYOFFS THAN THE FINALS???? Bron stans being Bron stans again I see.As if Jordan losing in the first round is worse than lebron losing in the finals? As if Jordan didn't go to win 6 and we don't even know if Lebron will ever win again after 3. No lebron won't be neck and neck with Jordan even if he wins this one. He has to be like Brady. Same way Brady won 1 more than Joe, Bron needs 7 to even take this bullshyt seriously.

 

[camer999]

So why the hell do you Bron stans ask is losing in the playoffs worse than losing in the finals?? So you acknowledge losing in the finals hurts more than losing in the playoffs? You acknowledge that lebron himself said he rather not even make the playoffs than to lose in the finals? You acknowledge that finals losses are more significant than playoff losses which is why lebron said he rather not make the playoffs at alll?

You acknowledge all of that? Right? So tell me why the hell is this "first round" bullshyt even a topic of discussion if you I anddddddd Lebron his damn self knows that's bullshyt? If losing in the first round is as bad as losing in the finals, why would Bron rather LOSE IN THE PLAYOFFS THAN THE FINALS???? Bron stans being Bron stans again I see.As if Jordan losing in the first round is worse than lebron losing in the finals? As if Jordan didn't go to win 6 and we don't even know if Lebron will ever win again after 3. No lebron won't be neck and neck with Jordan even if he wins this one. He has to be like Brady. Same way Brady won 1 more than Joe, Bron needs 7 to even take this bullshyt seriously.

Feelings are irrelevant. Answer this question, if someone gets farther than someone else in a tournament they are usually better, no? Also rings are everything, I'm not even standing bron I'm just being real, circumstances are different and if rings is all that matter Jordan wouldn't be the goat so dead that argument. Also you are right that Jordan has more rings and we don't know how many more bron will get, but let lebron write his story.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Jazz was the best team Jordan faced in his 6 win tenure

Bulls were always favored to win in each of those finals

Jordan never faced all time great teams in the 6 finals he won

Jordan had some terrible postseason losses before his 2 3peats

nikkas love to act like bulls weren't a superteam playing against merely good teams

Stop trying to make Jordan some kinda fairy tale hero

I'd argue the 1995 or 1996 magic were, but Shaq left for Los Angeles so we'll never know what they could've become. I've got them as my biggest what if in the history of the league

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Feelings are irrelevant. Answer this question, if someone gets farther than someone else in a tournament they are usually better, no? Also rings are everything, I'm not even standing bron I'm just being real, circumstances are different and if rings is all that matter Jordan wouldn't be the goat so dead that argument. Also you are right that Jordan has more rings and we don't know how many more bron will get, but let lebron write his story.

No. If you get farther just to lose more than you win and was on the brink of an ass beating twice

Than your not better than someone who never had a game 7
Who never was down 3-1
Who never lost period
Who won more than you did

So to answer your question. No. You got further and didn't win as much as the other nikka. SO are we suppose to give you respect for how "far" you got without reaching the ultimate goal more often than not?



That just means your cruising on weaker competition and then run into a tougher match up.

Jordan is the goat. Since y'all use FMVPs so much when it comes to kobe but somehow, we ignore Jordan's 6 FMVPS. Who has that many FMVPs? Not Bill Russell.

 

[camer999]

No. If you get farther just to lose more than you win and was on the brink of an ass beating twice

Than your not better than someone who never had a game 7
Who never was down 3-1
Who never lost period
Who won more than you did

So to answer your question. No. You got further and didn't win as much as the other nikka. SO are we suppose to give you respect for how "far" you got without reaching the ultimate goal more often than not?



That just means your cruising on weaker competition and then run into a tougher match up.

Jordan is the goat. Since y'all use FMVPs so much when it comes to kobe but somehow, we ignore Jordan's 6 FMVPS. Who has that many FMVPs? Not Bill Russell.

Breh, how tf do you never lose when you don't make the finals in the first place. Also no, I'm not going to say you HAVE to respect making it to the finals (which is an accomplishment like how getting to round 2 is better than knocked out round 1). But there is nothing special about making the finals that should be negative over not making it. The record should be 6-(however many times he didn't win a ring) and bron should be (however many time he didn't win a ring) that is if all that matters is the ultimate goal ). Also I'll admit Jordan does have more FMVP's but the book isn't written yet so we'll have to see on that note. But bron has defeated stiffer competition. Like I said I don't think bron is GOAT yet but he is close and one or two rings may push him over the edge. Besides rings, he is the more complete player which is probably why he gets nods with less accomplishment.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Breh, how tf do you never lose when you don't make the finals in the first place. Also no, I'm not going to say you HAVE to respect making it to the finals (which is an accomplishment like how getting to round 2 is better than knocked out round 1). But there is nothing special about making the finals that should be negative over not making it. The record should be 6-(however many times he didn't win a ring) and bron should be (however many time he didn't win a ring) that is if all that matters is the ultimate goal ). Also I'll admit Jordan does have more FMVP's but the book isn't written yet so we'll have to see on that note. But bron has defeated stiffer competition. Like I said I don't think bron is GOAT yet but he is close and one or two rings may push him over the edge. Besides rings, he is the more complete player which is probably why he gets nods with less accomplishment.

What in mental gymnastics hell? The fact that you doing all of this just to justify Lebron losingis why most will never see him as the Goat. You don't have to try and make a case for the Goat by trying to discredit or add losses to another GOAT.

But but but what about the playoff loses?

But but but what about the appearances???

But but but but who cares jordan won 3 more finals and FMVPs than lebron, FMVPs only matter when we use them to say Lebron>>>>Kobe cause Bron got one more than Kobe does
But some how Jordan having 3 more doesn't matter


How the fukk do you lose and somehow nikkas try make excuses and make somebody who never lost in the finals a loser too?

We changing rules for Bron Bron now? Jordan is 6-0 in the finals. Lebron is 3-4 in the finals. That's that. The book isn't written but right now. Lebron is not the Goat and probably never will be when that book is closed for good. Nobody cares about that Bron losing in the playoffs either once upon a time. Should we start counting those loses too?

 

[camer999]

What in mental gymnastics hell? The fact that you doing all of this just to justify Lebron losingis why most will never see him as the Goat. You don't have to try and make a case for the Goat by trying to discredit or add losses to another GOAT.

But but but what about the playoff loses?

But but but what about the appearances???

But but but but who cares jordan won 3 more finals and FMVPs than lebron, FMVPs only matter when we use them to say Lebron>>>>Kobe cause Bron got one more than Kobe does
But some how Jordan having 3 more doesn't matter


How the fukk do you lose and somehow nikkas try make excuses and make somebody who never lost in the finals a loser too?

We changing rules for Bron Bron now? Jordan is 6-0 in the finals. Lebron is 3-4 in the finals. That's that. The book isn't written but right now. Lebron is not the Goat and probably never will be when that book is closed for good. Nobody cares about that Bron losing in the playoffs either once upon a time. Should we start counting those loses too?

Yeah you should I'm saying count everything homie. All I'm saying is that finals record shouldn't be something held against the player. Also yes Jordan won three more chips/FMVP, and it is used in the argument against Kobe just to solidify placing, but bron is better than Kobe in pretty much every stat and Jordan too outside of ppg. So that's why bron gets the early nods and considerations.

 

[MalikX]

LeBron stan logic:

"It's better to keep getting knocked out in the Heavyweight fight than to never get there"

Never thought I'd see the day we giving out prizes for losing.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Right. Magic was 5-4 in 9 appearances which equates to basically going every year in the 80s. Shows you how weak the West was in that era right? Or do we not equate that dominance to what Bron has done? How can magic be elevated over him when he's already eclipsed him as a player and in performances in the finals? Because magic lost one less time?

have you ever seen magic johnson play ever?

 

[Art Barr]

only losers can not comprehend,...6-0.
let alone the actual skill discrepancy and vast cavern like difference in skill mastery air jordan has over lebron.



art barr

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Magic lost 4 finals.

And won 5.


Lebron would be 3-5 if he loses this year and honestly he should be 2-6 if he was to lose this year. Warriors u had one job last year, one fukking job.....

You are too deep in your feelings about downgrading Lebron's Legacy...

3-5 finals record would devastate bron's legacy. that's a fact nikkas

he would need to win 2 more just to be .500 in finals. think about that.


losing at anytime hurts bron's legacy. losing to wizards or celtics will be considered biggest upset ever. that hurts him greatly too.


so basically lebron can't afford to lose in the playoffs until he becomes really old.

This is why these arguments are stupid as fukk. Magic was playing with MVP Kareem from day 1. Kareem won the MVP Magic's rookie year and was top-10 in MVP voting for the first seven years they played together, top-5 most those years. So Magic already gets to start his career with a giant boost. And then by the time Kareem gets , Magic has prime HOF level Worthy to take over scoring duties and show out in big games.

And he STILL only goes 5-4 in Finals over his career. Because having a great Finals record is tough when you make it nearly every fukking year.


Lebron, meanwhile, out there playing Finals with Boobie Gibson and Matty Delladacavdova as his #2 guys against elite Finals teams. So he's basically starting in an 0-2 hole before you even start counting.

Claiming a .500 Finals record is the definition of a legacy is just stupid. Kareem lost to the Lakers, Knicks, and Warriors BEFORE he made the Finals back when he was with the Bucks...then lost to the Blazers and the Sonics (twice) before Magic joined him in LA. You're saying that if Kareem had won half of those series but then lost in the Finals, therefore finishing with a sub-.500 Finals record, that it would HURT his legacy?

So Kareem winning more often would give him a WORSE legacy?

Claim that advancing beyond the early rounds hurts a man's legacy brehs.

Quite frankely I don't care how Lebron legacy is viewed cause I know he would never be universally considered better than Jordan. And there's no "would have" naw the warriors won in 15. We don't make these excuses for nobody else why Lebron? The fact we even have to make excuses shows why there's no new Jordan period. Not kobe, not Lebron. Nobody

Hell yeah we make excuses for everyone else. People completely ignore any of Jordan's losses before 1991, it was all because "his team sucked" or "the Pistons/Celtics were just great" or "it was part of his learning process". Everyone always bringing up Smush when it's pointed out that Kobe couldn't even win a single playoff series during the three central years of his prime. Magic repeatedly had some of the worst playoff collapses in NBA history, but it gets swept under the rug. Kareem went almost a decade in the NBA as the league's dominant player but with only two Finals trips and just one win, but his later success as Magic's sidekick washes that all away. Russell scored in single digits more often than he went for 20+ in big games, but we say he was a "leader" so his personal numbers don't matter.

Now it's the internet generation, so we have to hear about Lebron's shortcomings more than anyone else's, and that means we hear defenses of his shortcomings more too. But don't feed me this shyt like Lebron gets treated better than any other great. That's bullshyt. Back when the media and the league got to create the storylines on their own, superstars were treated with MUCH softer kid's gloves than any start of today.