People go issue by issue which is a mistake because it doesn't tell you the weighting of those issues in a voters mind. I hear lots of progressives talking about labor and Midwest voters to the point of romanticizing them but forget that in places like Ohio some of those voters are actually socially conservative and may vote just as much on social issues like abortion or not care about global warming for instance.
If the Democrats ever put a real progressive up for president could they win?
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FDR had a crisis to help him along, no one knows if he could have pushed through the same things outside of a crisis situation. Democrats run a coalition which actually includes a lot of social conservatives, Republicans only have to think of country club types like Romney, Bushes vs their religious people. The country club types don't mind taking on social issues in exchange for deregulation , lower taxes from the evangelicals who don't view those issues as pivotal. A Kentucky Democrat can be a pro 2nd amendment candidate while a California Democrat would be against it. It is harder to corral Dems on a wider variety of issues so they tend to stick to one or two big ones, the Blue Dogs were the ones running away from Obama in 2012 because of the ACA and ended up losing anyway. There are Midwestern Democrats who a fiscally and socially conservative but it's rare to come across Republicans who would argue for bigger social safety nets or many progressive causes, only Snowe and Susan Collins tend to buck the trend and some noisy Libertarians here and there.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Most of the main issues that are non-negotiable are all economic;
Single Payer Healthcare
Free State College
An immediate $15/hour minimum wage
And a candidate reinforces they are with this platform by how they run and feel about the election process;
No PAC money
Are for Publically Funded elections in the future/wants $ out of politics.
Everything after this is up to the individual candidate but if you are not down with this simple platform you're not on the team.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Democratic Party been shook of a progressive since George McGovern got his ass whooped by Nixon.
:queenhillary:
Ask yourself the question who stops single payer? Who says we can't pay for it when we can pay billions on meaningless wars so politicians can have their military contractors buddies clean up on contracts?
We have to change our government so we can get the things we want and vote these fools who don't make the government work for the people out. You'll never get what you want if you're quick to abandon it due to the "logical" pleas of people who don't really want to give it to you in the first place.
Compromising for establishment Democrats just gets you to the place we are right now. The government is failing our people and that's how someone like Trump gets elected because people become desperate for anything. It's time the Democrats put up a real progressive and stop bullshytting.
Don't you get tired of this comparison to the military budget?
There these people called republicans. They exist.
Stop blaming democrats for this.
Obama busted his ass and still came up short.
Hillary was advocating for universal healthcare before you were born in 1993.
Just do some fukking research.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...Health-Care-in-93-and-94-Against-the-Clintons
I feel like people are still in denial about why Trump won.
Not only aren't Trump voters "desperate" but they aren't even worse off than Clinton voters on average.
The first 3 are fine. The second pary straddles strategy and policy. Obama and McCain went down the financing reform but most see that part as unilateral disarmament, it takes 2 parties to do it otherwise it won't work. I remember one of the special elections were a progressive won the primary and did not want the DNC involved and lost and the TYT people complaining about the DNC not putiing money in the race
The gate keepers control the options people are presented and people will only vote for what they're given. Obama's first campaign was a lot closer to progressive values and people responded.
People aren't going to passionately support these establishment Democrats anymore. Keep putting them up and we'll keep having nail-biter elections that come down to a couple swing states because the populace is lethargic to the options given.
storyteller
Veteran
I'm pretty sure we're better off riding the zeitgeist than outdated definitions though. If someone says they're progressive, I can guess which policies they'll be most open to per issue in general although as with any individual; they'll fall more on a spectrum than some one-size-fits-all definition. This Progressive movement feels like a big brother to the Occupy movement before it imo in a way similar to current Neolib principles tend to trace their way back to Third Way.
You should have supported Hillary.
Now you've lost those gains.
But, hey great job on shytting on the democrats.
#RealBrave
People really dont want to listen to what they keep telling you.
Its not economics. Its race.
The working class voters he stole from Hillary in the Midwest pushed him over the edge. That's why he won. Because the Democrats have basically made those Midwestern working class voters feel abandoned and Trump took advantage. People are desperate for a government that actually works for them and not for corporations and the billionaires that own them. Cost of living continues to rise and wages are stagnate. There are a lot of people heavily in debt and barely able to keep their head above water. Over half the country makes $30,000 or less annually so year people are desperate.
brick james
John piffington
You got to be kidding right? Most people are indifferent about politics and only show up to vote after doing an hour or two of research on both sides of the party.
The two parties represent the vast majority of people that have any interest in gaining power and making changes to the government and the country from a political perspective. The progressive portion of the party is still a long way from becoming the "establishment" simply because they don't have enough power. By the time they have enough power and the things they are advocating for have a possibility of coming to fruition there will be a new progressive wing of the party complaining that the establishment is a bunch of sell outs happy with the status quo.
