if we gonna get on Drake for using reference tracks then why Jay Z get a pass??

[blackzeus]

Rappers take other nikkas songs all the time. Drake has nikkas doing reference tracks for him.

/thread

Bobby Shmurda rapping over a Lloyd Banks track /= You paying people to write songs for you. One is hiphop, the other is not. Next thing you know these Drake stans will call a soul sample a reference track It's not enough that Drake's rich, his fans want us to think his lyrics are hard

 

[Mr.Logic]

Fred.

Rapping is not just lyrics, delivery (flow) is a HUGE part of it...Jay Z was sent a track were a certain rapper was flowing a certain way...He takes the track, changes the lyrics but keeps a certain rapper's flow...

Elements of the original rack are CLEARLY present in Jay Z's version...Mainly the flow and the hook...He REFERRED to that track...

 

[Giselle]

What's the difference between what Drake be doing compared to Jay Z? Jay basically has been doing the same exact thing his whole career. taking folks entire songs AND hooks and taking credit for them.

songs like "put your hands in the air" was Beans song and hook for his 1st album....Jay heard it and put a verse on it, and took it.


same for Ja Rule and "Can i get A". Jay used Ja's song originally as his reference track and just inserted his verse there....he has done this a lot more but i just used those 2 examples.


why Hov get a pass?

3. He originally wrote “Can I Get A…” and then agreed to let Jay Z have it
While Ja Rule still had a verse on the track, it went down in history as a Jay Z song. “At the time I felt like — maybe I am shorting myself, maybe if I would have kept it for myself, maybe my album would have sold three million copies,” he says. “That was a great moment for me though, because it really launched my career, that record.”'

10 Things We Learned About Ja Rule From His New Book



"4am we at the WAFFLE HOUSE"

Beanie wrote this song in the late late late 90s, probably around 99. he was living in Atlanta at the time, and hitting the streets and clubs. There was not 1 Waffle House in NYC in the late 90s. that's why that line was in the hook. the song is basically beanie writing about how he was living in a new city

I think I've said this before, but yes. Jay z and drake are similar in that way. They have both hopped on hot songs/people to remain hot or get hotter throughout their career.

I've also read that jayz was jealous of murder inc, told on them or something idk. & he was jealous of dmx. Jealous of their hotness. Worked with both to stay hot though, if I remember correctly. Popularity fades quickly on the way up, you have to find a way to stay constantly hot/popular on people's mind on your up, and that was their way of doing it.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

moving goal posts. The Camp Lo track isn't a reference track, neither is Renegades

Never said feeling it or renegade were reference tracks
What i said was you dont have to use the original lyrics on a reference track

you 40 year old losers lack reading comprehension and steady dikkriding on eachothers stupidity

 

[Not The Ruler O9]

You're still talkng out your ass.

Have zero what you're talking about brehs.

 

[ridedolo]

don't know the definition of a reference track, brehs.

 

[hex]

Rapping is not just lyrics, delivery (flow) is a HUGE part of it...Jay Z was sent a track were a certain rapper was flowing a certain way...He takes the track, changes the lyrics but keeps a certain rapper's flow...

Elements of the original rack are CLEARLY present in Jay Z's version...Mainly the flow and the hook...He REFERRED to that track...

The problem with that logic is a reference track has a very specific definition and it ain't got shyt to do with using the same flow.

People rap over beats other rappers have used all the time and mimic their flow. Fat Joe and Pun did it several times on "Deep Cover", for example. Nobody said jack shyt about it.

So you're basically trying to crow bar your personal definition of the word into the conversation to make a point.

To make matters worse Camp Lo never intended to use the song in the first place, nor did they write it for Jay-Z to use in any capacity.

Lastly, I'm at you bringing up the hook. It was part of the song with or without Camp Lo, it came with the beat.

Fred.

 

[RAW_SPK]

the lenghts yall will go to defend drake is remarkable af

 

[Jerz-2]

Why don't you go back to stealing pictures and info and front like you're a gangbanger

Right? This wack nikka gonna just show up posting aggressively, like we somehow forgot how he got exposed as a phony gang insider.

 

[Jerz-2]

It means he gets results you stupid chief

Dapped and repped.

 

[Soundbwoy]

because

What's the difference between what Drake be doing compared to Jay Z? Jay basically has been doing the same exact thing his whole career. taking folks entire songs AND hooks and taking credit for them.

songs like "put your hands in the air" was Beans song and hook for his 1st album....Jay heard it and put a verse on it, and took it.


same for Ja Rule and "Can i get A". Jay used Ja's song originally as his reference track and just inserted his verse there....he has done this a lot more but i just used those 2 examples.


why Hov get a pass?

because Hov wrote his own verses to those songs

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

OP is an idiot

 

[DontEemTry]

One thing the coli is useful for is helping me take note of which nikkas on here is dumb as rocks

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I think I've said this before, but yes. Jay z and drake are similar in that way. They have both hopped on hot songs/people to remain hot or get hotter throughout their career.

I've also read that jayz was jealous of murder inc, told on them or something idk. & he was jealous of dmx. Jealous of their hotness. Worked with both to stay hot though, if I remember correctly. Popularity fades quickly on the way up, you have to find a way to stay constantly hot/popular on people's mind on your up, and that was their way of doing it.

bruh cool out speaking on shyt u don't know bout

Just being chatty patty out here

Jay had no problems wit murder inc. they came up together, he had to son ja rule later on in his career for playing wit him.

But murder inc ended they relationship wit jay when they tried to sign nas during the height of the jay v nas beef, when irv was suppose to be jay man from 95.

X and Jay always had a rivalry, even when they were in the same camp. They battled in the early 90s for hours at a pool hall, they always was cool but still wanted to be better than the other


Jay was once in a rap group wit X and Ja called "murder inc" so they camps where always close, X was shouting out Jay and they all were on def jam. So him hopping on they songs wasn't some out of the blue shyt

 

[Mr.Logic]

The problem with that logic is a reference track has a very specific definition and it ain't got shyt to do with using the same flow.

People rap over beats other rappers have used all the time and mimic their flow. Fat Joe and Pun did it several times on "Deep Cover", for example. Nobody said jack shyt about it.

So you're basically trying to crow bar your personal definition of the word into the conversation to make a point.

To make matters worse Camp Lo never intended to use the song in the first place, nor did they write it for Jay-Z to use in any capacity.

Lastly, I'm at you bringing up the hook. It was part of the song with or without Camp Lo, it came with the beat.

Fred.

What is this "very specific definition"?