if y'all can't see by now that Umar Johnson is a plant....

[thewarrior05]

Stop being a hater

 

[skeetsinternal]

I wouldn't say he's a plant
I wouldn't say he's a "conman" 100% either.

What he is though is unequivocally over his head and far too immature in his speech and actions when it comes to planning for, procuring, funding, managing, and running the school that he claims to want to run

Can you give examples of his mismanagement or is this just your opinion?

 

[Jatigi]

Who do y'all not think is an agent or plant? Even on this board, everyone y'all disagree with must be white. You've got to believe that an agent would pick more competent people to sabotage.

 

[Marlostanfield.]

Dr umar Johnson is smart brother especially when it comes to psychology, but he should know by now you can't save black people, well majority of them you can't.

 

[southern.girl]

I wouldn't say he's a plant
I wouldn't say he's a "conman" 100% either.

What he is though is unequivocally over his head and far too immature in his speech and actions when it comes to planning for, procuring, funding, managing, and running the school that he claims to want to run

Cosign. I agree with a lot of what Umar says. But I don't think he trusts anyone to assist him in the building process. The problem is that no one person can accomplish what he's trying to do. I do think he genuinely wants to rebuild though.

This is why I always say that we need to rebuild the black family (black man & black woman) first. Distrust among our people starts here and only exacerbates when working with others that have no immediate ties to us.

 

[TL15]

Can you give examples of his mismanagement or is this just your opinion?

Well (and this is my opinion only...and it's not based in "hate rhetoric" for the man...It's only from what I've seen)

#1 he handles criticism poorly - If you are going to be an educator and claim to want to change the minds of these young impressionable black boys and girls, you need to be able to stand up to criticism. The first mention of criticism he resorts to name calling (calling people BROKE for not donating to his school without a plan, calling them "c00ns" for disagreeing with him or bringing up his questionable behavior with strippers etc.)

#2 he is incredibly self centered/arrogant - He calls him self "The Prince" , has made up a very "loose" ancestry association with Frederick Douglass (the true ancestors of Frederick Douglass have denied he has any blood tie to them). He has a "toy/action figure" of himself You can't be a positive educator (IMO) if you are more into yourself and your image than you are education. Education is dirty...not in a literal sense. Good educators give up their sense of self to help others, they don't care about "reputation", they care about helping others. His arrogance seems to lean toward protecting his image. In a case where he has to choose between these children he wants to educate and "saving face" his behavior indicates he would probably choose saving face.

#3 No executive board - Any school (especially specialized charter schools) should have an executive board of qualified educators. Any person who thinks they can undertake this type of venture (and should be blindly trust with millions of dollars) should probably have a team of Doctors and Educators at the ready. Even this "early" in the process, this is NOT a one man undertaking. If I wanted to start a school, I would start by getting educators on my side, on the board, etc. so that my plan was legitimate. Even if I believe his education (which is murky at best, fraudulent at worst), his specific education doesn't qualify him to run ALL things in a school. He would need an accountant/financial planner to handle the finances, a curriculum designer, someone to run the housing aspect, someone to run the nutrition aspect, someone to monitor state regulations in regards to educational requirements by grade, someone to monitor the facilities and making sure everything is up to code... etc. etc. The fact that he has no executive board is telling.

#4 His website... Dr. Umar Johnson, The Prince of Pan-Africanism Just visit this. It doesn't scream professional. I know not everyone is a web designer, but in 2017 you can have a much more professional website for less than $1000. This website looks like it was made by a high school senior in 2002. It's REALLY bad. I wouldn't trust that the man who has his name tied to this website in 2017 and still keeps it running would be capable of hiring the right people to run a boarding school/ academy where kids live.

#5 He is too secretive. This is the most damning one to me. If I was planning to fund a school, everything would be in the open to those who NEEDED to see it. The whole "it's none of your business" trope is a really bad statement when you want to run a school. Education is about transparency. Honestly (in the scheme of what he wants to do) he could get 3-5 million from Oprah or someone else IF he had the right plan, the right committee, the right background. The issue is that he keeps everything hidden, he isn't direct, and that comes off (not saying it is) as shady. I have my MBA. It's a fact 100%. If someone asked me to see it I wouldn't make them jump through hurdles. I wouldn't dodge the questions and try to turn things back around on them. I'm proud of the achievement, I would show them. For him, whenever the question has been brought up, he hesitates to show irrefutable proof. I wouldn't want that person running a school where I would send my child.

Again, NONE of that was me saying "oh he's a clown" without some type of tangible proof from what I have seen from him on multiple interviews. He is incredibly intelligent and a good speaker when he gets to control the narrative. He resorts to childlike behavior when he is pressed. I don't think he is a terrible man OR a criminal. But not every "decent man who is not a criminal" deserves millions of dollars to run a school.

 

[Kairi Irving]

Saw an interview he had with the Breakfast Club and he seems homo

 

[Collateral]

....u tried to son me with ur response...yet had to resort to name calling....If he was doing some foul shyt with the money...why hasn't he been indicted yet? Where are the charges? yall kno so much but fail to realize every dollar has to be accounted for when u run a non profit or fund raise for them...He has degrees and a proven background in education..sure he doesn't know it all..but he can hire ppl that have experience in school administration...funny how yall keep talkin all this code shyt on here but when u see someone who looks like u attempting to do the impossible all u have for them is negativity and reasons why it cant work...yall pro black. tho?

It’s been what, 3 almost 4 years since he started the fundraiser and there’s nothing to show for it. Only a bunch of questions that he REFUSES to address. What’s the progress on the school? What’s the reason it’s been delayed for so long? Where’s the donated money? Etc. And I’m pretty sure that crowdfunding services protects themselves and the recipients against lawsuits but I’m not 100% sure on that. Idk why there hasn’t been any lawsuits filed against him as of yet. Do I want to see Umar getting sued ? No. Can I see and understand why someone would want to sue him? Yeah.

 

[southern.girl]

It’s been what, 3 almost 4 years since he started the fundraiser and there’s nothing to show for it. Only a bunch of questions that he REFUSES to address. What’s the progress on the school? What’s the reason it’s been delayed for so long? Where’s the donated money? Etc. And I’m pretty sure that crowdfunding services protects themselves and the recipients against lawsuits but I’m not 100% sure on that. Idk why there hasn’t been any lawsuits filed against him as of yet. Do I want to see Umar getting sued ? No. Can I see and understand why someone would want to sue him? Yeah.

You cannot build a school on $500,000. I gave an example of this in a previous Umar thread.

To recap, the smallest school, made up of 40 students, has a maintenance budget of $10 MILLION. We as AA, have very little access to many money so we have a very warp idea of what it takes to financially create & sustain any type of successful business, whether that be for profit or non profit.

 

[King Jae]

It’s been what, 3 almost 4 years since he started the fundraiser and there’s nothing to show for it. Only a bunch of questions that he REFUSES to address. What’s the progress on the school? What’s the reason it’s been delayed for so long? Where’s the donated money? Etc. And I’m pretty sure that crowdfunding services protects themselves and the recipients against lawsuits but I’m not 100% sure on that. Idk why there hasn’t been any lawsuits filed against him as of yet. Do I want to see Umar getting sued ? No. Can I see and understand why someone would want to sue him? Yeah.

Just ain't buying the snake oil angle bruh... Yea he has flaws hes human...his approach ain't the best.. he from North Philly..course he still got that in him...he likes p*ssy...big whoop... understand the 'secret' angle...all pro black organizations had been infiltrated in the past..he trying to minimize his vision being thwarted... willing to bet u there was some lag time between when public colleges were thought about til they became a reality...3-4 ain't really that long...many of these new schools round ur way didn't just materialize overnight..took years of planning...that's y I'm cutting him some slack...his legacy is tied into whether he pulls this off or not.. if ur name was on something..would u wanna half ass and rush it just to shut ur haters up?...or would u take ur time because u realize they gonna hate regardless...it's alot more nuanced then ppl wanna admit..they just wanna talk shyt

 

[SupremexKing]

how exactly is he a planet?

please provide some reasons and evidence my nikka.

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

How is this nikka not a con man at this point?

Gullible ass so called Negroes

 

[AlainLocke]

You cannot build a school on $500,000. I gave an example of this in a previous Umar thread.

To recap, the smallest school, made up of 40 students, has a maintenance budget of $10 MILLION. We as AA, have very little access to many money so we have a very warp idea of what it takes to financially create & sustain any type of successful business, whether that be for profit or non profit.

This is pretty much it...

 

[Crayola Coyote]

But what about white on white crime

 

[little4209]

He’s doing a talk with Kindred and the Family Soul next week, I kinda wanna see him....he was supposed to do Taxstones podcast when he came to Philly but Umar bailed