If you are white, grow up liking black music, then make money off it..are you vulture status?

[WickedGames]

On twitter etc I been seeing a lot of "Culture Vulture" arguments recently. That YesJulz character comes up quite often. I don't really have an opinion on her either way. All I see is some white party promoter. She seems maybe quite corny but it's whatever.

Do you guys think the vulture tag is always accurate. I feel like if somebody is white and in black music and the accuser doesn't rate what they do that tag just thrown

Alchemist the only white boy I seen avoid the tag

edit... I twitter searched "alchemist culture vulture" and found 1 tweet calling Alc a vulture

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Insane clown posse ain't no vultures

 

[45123]

Vultures = people who hop on waves or aspects of a culture in order to buttress and supplement their own identity and desire for "originality", even though they originally never/hardly fukked with the culture and will likely drop said culture in the future for the next thing, ie Post Malone, Miley Cyrus, whenever popstars wanna incorporate hip hop slang or mannerisms in their songs and videos, even Drake with his reggae thing

Eminem, Rick Rubin, Alchemist, Mac Miller, etc aren't vultures, because they grew up loving the culture and continue to represent and be involved with it, and likely will until the day they die. There might be other terms you can call them but vulture ain't it

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

Vultures = people who hop on waves or aspects of a culture in order to buttress and supplement their own identity and desire for "originality", even though they originally never/hardly fukked with the culture and will likely drop said culture in the future for the next thing, ie Post Malone, Miley Cyrus, whenever popstars wanna incorporate hip hop slang or mannerisms in their songs and videos, even Drake with his reggae thing

Eminem, Rick Rubin, Alchemist, Mac Miller, etc aren't vultures, because they grew up loving the culture and continue to represent and be involved with it, and likely will until the day they die. There might be other terms you can call them but vulture ain't it

You consider Vlad a culture vulture?

 

[45123]

You consider Vlad a culture vulture?

I don't know what Vlad's background is or how involved he's been in things so I can't say for sure. But I do view him in the same vein as a Lyor Cohen or a Jimmy Iovine, someone who is not afraid to exploit the negative aspects of a culture in order to profit off of it from above. Whatever you wanna call that, I don't know

 

[Jean Jacket]

Liking Black music and making Black music are two different things.

You can't make money off of "liking" black music... the OP is almost a moot argument.

White people that make money off of Black people at their expense (culturally, and socially) are vultures to me.

 

[Farrinto]

 

[WickedGames]

Vultures = people who hop on waves or aspects of a culture in order to buttress and supplement their own identity and desire for "originality", even though they originally never/hardly fukked with the culture and will likely drop said culture in the future for the next thing, ie Post Malone, Miley Cyrus, whenever popstars wanna incorporate hip hop slang or mannerisms in their songs and videos, even Drake with his reggae thing

Eminem, Rick Rubin, Alchemist, Mac Miller, etc aren't vultures, because they grew up loving the culture and continue to represent and be involved with it, and likely will until the day they die. There might be other terms you can call them but vulture ain't it

Are New York rappers who hop on southern rap waves vultures in your opinion ? Let's say they never showed the south love but because it's hot they start altering their style to eat off that southern style popularity ..

Also, there is record of drake showing dancehall love from a long time back? Does that give him a pass experimenting with it?

 

[BK The Great]

Alchemist never claimed to be "hood" guess people never heard his song speaking about it.

 

[stealthbomber]

Vultures = people who hop on waves or aspects of a culture in order to buttress and supplement their own identity and desire for "originality", even though they originally never/hardly fukked with the culture and will likely drop said culture in the future for the next thing, ie Post Malone, Miley Cyrus, whenever popstars wanna incorporate hip hop slang or mannerisms in their songs and videos, even Drake with his reggae thing

Eminem, Rick Rubin, Alchemist, Mac Miller, etc aren't vultures, because they grew up loving the culture and continue to represent and be involved with it, and likely will until the day they die. There might be other terms you can call them but vulture ain't it

yes to all this and especially the bolded

that's my list of cool white boys in rap

there's some white underground dudes i can rock with but those are the big ones

nikkas sleep on mac like his larry fisherman beats and run on sentences aren't the truth

 

[45123]

Are New York rappers who hop on southern rap waves vultures in your opinion ? Let's say they never showed the south love but because it's hot they start altering their style to eat off that southern style popularity ..

Also, there is record of drake showing dancehall love from a long time back? Does that give him a pass experimenting with it?

Nah I think once you cross into a discussion about the actual intricacies of an artform, it becomes more about biting, jacking, or being influenced than vulturing. Like I wouldn't call A$AP Rocky a vulture for jacking Texas sounds, or JT and Adele for being milk r&b, because they incorporate those aspects while maintaining their own musical identity, and also don't show outright disrespect to their influences while pretending to be something they're not.

Wouldn't call Desiigner or any random NY rapper who flows over ATL beats vultures either because they're just biting aspects of an adjacent sub-culture that's part of a broader culture they're already in. I mean, NY invented rap for argument's sakes. Meanwhile, you look at Post Malone who basically masqueraded as a hip-hop/r&b artist, with the look and gimmick to go along with it, and who was exposed for that. Vulturing is about more than just the music.

And even if Drake showed love before, it's still vulturing to some degree, because now he's adopting the slang, the accents, the mannerisms, the whole shebang when before there was not a pinch of that fabric in him. He's also been using real reggae artists for features or "inspiration" then subsequently discarding them when he's done with them, he's blatantly lifted entire elements from other reggae songs and played it off as homages, and it doesn't help that he's got a shaky track record when it comes to artistic integrity. I fukk with reggae Drake but we need to keep it a buck and realize funky business when we see it

 

[definition]

I made $50 for interviewing Aceyalone for elemental magazine in 2001.

If I'm a vulture, I'm very bad at it.

 

[Shadow King]

Vultures = people who hop on waves or aspects of a culture in order to buttress and supplement their own identity and desire for "originality", even though they originally never/hardly fukked with the culture and will likely drop said culture in the future for the next thing, ie Post Malone, Miley Cyrus, whenever popstars wanna incorporate hip hop slang or mannerisms in their songs and videos, even Drake with his reggae thing

Eminem, Rick Rubin, Alchemist, Mac Miller, etc aren't vultures, because they grew up loving the culture and continue to represent and be involved with it, and likely will until the day they die. There might be other terms you can call them but vulture ain't it

Came in to say this

 

[shopthatwrecks]

only in rap is the name callin shyt is capable..

muhfukkas cant be fans n make profit..continuing the cycle of revenue

 

[prophecypro]

Its subjective but it gets thrown around for everything like cultural appropiation and c00n does mostly from young or non perspective people online. But it does exist though in valid examples