If you say Melo doesn't make his teammates...

[USSInsiders]

that doesn't make any sense. im proposing the idea if lebron did go out there with the sole intent of scoring and only passing when necessary. there's no possible explanation to back up claims of: 'he would have a lower PPG avg if he had more of a scoring mentality'.

He would because he's a player who picks his spots and it's purely uncharacteristic of who he is as a player. He doesn't force anything, and it's exactly why he puts up the numbers he does. It's completely hypothetical, but I'm a betting man, and I'd bet he'd play worse if he forced the action rather than letting it come to him.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Passive Lebron is a Miami narrative. This wasn't AT ALL the case in Cleveland.

For one, the team lacked reliable primary scorers to allow him to pick his spots. He was the "hub" offensively 99percent of the time. There was no one for him to play off of. If you replaced 2010 Bron on that cavs team with the 2013 version, he'd average at least 32ppg on 50%+ EASIlY. Wasn't as aware of his efficiency then....the nikka chucked damn near 400 3's on a measly 33% in 2010.

Honestly, from a skills standpoint Melo isn't really better than Lebron at anything other than FT shooting.

If you say so

He scores more on much better efficiency. How is he not a better scorer?

What did melo's post game do for him in the playoffs?

Got him one win vs the heat just like melo

 

[USSInsiders]

Passive Lebron is a Miami narrative. This wasn't AT ALL the case in Cleveland.

For one, the team lacked reliable primary scorers to allow him to pick his spots. He was the "hub" offensively 99percent of the time. There was no one for him to play off of. If you replaced 2010 Bron on that cavs team with the 2013 version, he'd average at least 32ppg on 50%+ EASIlY. Wasn't as aware of his efficiency then....the nikka chucked damn near 400 3's on a measly 33% in 2010.

Honestly, from a skills standpoint Melo isn't really better than Lebron at anything other than FT shooting.[/B]

:ohword: nice avatar.

Yes, LeBron predicated most of the offense, but he is a player who tends to be more of a passive scorer than an aggressive one, and as far as your last point I have to completely disagree with you.

I'm taking LeBron 9 times out of 10, but he just simply isn't as skilled of a one-on-one scorer than Carmelo is. He's someone whose game is too dependent on athleticism and physicality for me to give him that much credit.

 

[23Barrettcity]

He would because he's a player who picks his spots and it's purely uncharacteristic of who he is as a player. He doesn't force anything, and it's exactly why he puts up the numbers he does. It's completely hypothetical, but I'm a betting man, and I'd bet he'd play worse if he forced the action rather than letting it come to him.

I know . If melo passed as well as bron what would his stats be ?? We can't judge these things

 

[stepbackj34spud]

I have no respect for Carmelo's game anymore. dude is a straight up chuck. When is he gonna learn to fukking pass the ball around? It aint all about taking 20 shots per night.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I have no respect for Carmelo's game anymore. dude is a straight up chuck. When is he gonna learn to fukking pass the ball around? It aint all about taking 20 shots per night.

troll ass nicca . This is the wrong time to say this

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're clinging to stats way too much for me to honestly believe you're capable of giving me an anecdotal break down, and it's basketball fans like you I have trouble taking seriously.

An anecdotal break down? Do you even know what you're typing?

Yes, LeBron has had impressive scoring performances in spots, but he is a passive player going back to Cleveland. If you still think points per game determine a player's assertiveness or lack thereof, then I would strongly suggest you look up the definition of the word, "context".

Also, if you didn't understand my point in bringing up the scoring in low shot clock situations to determine the skill of a scorer then...

Even taking that notion of Lebron's 'passiveness' dating back to Cleveland, he still put up more PPG than Melo ever did. Points per game does determine a player's assertiveness (again, not completely), I never used his out of context. What I'm saying is, 8 secs doesn't hold significant weight over any other period in the game; every minute is relative to the picture. And I don't see your point in bringing it up because it's not like Melo has had any success with scoring late in games over lebron that would deem him a better scorer.

Nothing you're saying is adding up.

 

[stepbackj34spud]

troll ass nicca . This is the wrong time to say this

He had 50, so fukking what. He needs to learn how to be a team player. He jacks shot after shot.. fukk Carmelo. He'll never win anything.

 

[JYoung24]

You don't know basketball or you're a typical Ny hater....watch any Knicks game and see all the open shots he gets his teammates....Sick of seeing that nonsense spread like its the gospel

c/s its like they don't even watch games they just go by the past

 

[23Barrettcity]

He had 50, so fukking what. This needs to learn how to be a team player. He jacks shot after shot.. fukk Carmelo. He'll never win anything.

You didn't watch the game you hating ass melo was passing the ball when he got the double team . Nicca shooting 60% and he's chucking shot after shot yet in the 4th quarter he was passing the ball when the defense keyed on him . You just mad you can't win the division

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

He would because he's a player who picks his spots and it's purely uncharacteristic of who he is as a player. He doesn't force anything, and it's exactly why he puts up the numbers he does. It's completely hypothetical, but I'm a betting man, and I'd bet he'd play worse if he forced the action rather than letting it come to him.

Lebron put up 23 shots per game in 05, he put up 20+ shots per game in just about every single season he played in cleveland. It's not hypothetical, is you stupid? there's historical evidence that directly relates to him having more of a scoring mentality. it shows when he takes more shots, he scores more points. yet you're saying he's incapable of doing this and that if had more of a scoring mentality his PPG will go down...

 

[stepbackj34spud]

You didn't watch the game you hating ass melo was passing the ball when he got the double team . Nicca shooting 60% and he's chucking shot after shot

He scores 50 every night? gtfo. Dude is a chuck. He'll never win a chip playing like he plays now.

 

[23Barrettcity]

He scores 50 every night? gtfo. Dude is a chuck. He'll never win a chip playing like he plays now.

He passes the ball you sound like a bitter bytch ass Boston fan !

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know . If melo passed as well as bron what would his stats be ?? We can't judge these things

But he doesn't pass as well as bron...

we can't judge what things? we can't judge lebron having more of a scoring mentality when he put up 30+ ppg in cleveland?

 

[tone wone]

He would because he's a player who picks his spots and it's purely uncharacteristic of who he is as a player. He doesn't force anything, and it's exactly why he puts up the numbers he does. It's completely hypothetical, but I'm a betting man, and I'd bet he'd play worse if he forced the action rather than letting it come to him.

We have 7 full season of evidence that suggest otherwise. In 2013 he plays with Wade, Bosh and shooters....thats why he picks his spots. He NEVER had the chance to do so from 2003-2010.

Unless you're telling me that in '06 when Zydrunas Ilgauskas was his 2nd option that he was picking his spots and letting the game come to him? Or in '08 when Big Z was still the 2nd leading scorer?

31.6ppg 47% in 2006. 30.0ppg 48% in 2008. Both more prolific than any season of Melo's career. Hell, in 2005 at 20yrs he managed to pick his spots to a 27ppg on 47% season.

He's noticeably more well rounded now than he was then, so how exactly would he be worse if put back in that situation?