Elim Garak
Veteran
There are areas generally majority black where Republicans intentionally close down the DMV.
If you support Voter ID laws, come in here and explain why.
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Sir Richard Spirit
Superstar
It’s not a barrier what you’re doing is wasting your time. You are fighting a fight that’s not needed.
Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
You keep insisting it's "not a barrier," but you're unwilling to engage with any evidence or present your own. At this point, you're not making an argument, you're avoiding one.
Unbothered
Our Black Shining Prince 🤴🏾✨
I don't know why people dispute the facts that Black, Latino, and minority groups are less likely to have a photo ID on hand than say a white adult, especially if they're young in their 20s and early 30s.
The reason for this is systemic but also not having access to the needed information on hand, people overestimate how easy it is to get an ID, it's really not that easy to obtain a driver's license. Most states require you to have a certain number of documents to meet the threshold to receive an ID at your local DMV. Young adults, especially minority groups don't always have access to these specific documents, for numerous reasons, many out of their control, in other words, it becomes a hassle.
Next thing you know they'll try to make having a job a voting requirement, having a high school diploma/GED to vote, or needing to make a certain amount of income to vote. These are just ways to disenfranchise those whom they consider “undesirable”, the truth is they don't really want Black, Latinos, poor, homeless, etc voting and taking part in the political system. If these groups have easier access to voting it'll more often than not hurt Republicans in the polls because they know the odds are that these groups are more likely to vote Democrat if given the chance, they know this which is why they've been attacking these particular voting tactics.
These supposed voter ID and elimination of mail-in ballots proposals are ways of stifling and sneakily shutting out marginalized groups from having a voice, politically speaking.
The reason for this is systemic but also not having access to the needed information on hand, people overestimate how easy it is to get an ID, it's really not that easy to obtain a driver's license. Most states require you to have a certain number of documents to meet the threshold to receive an ID at your local DMV. Young adults, especially minority groups don't always have access to these specific documents, for numerous reasons, many out of their control, in other words, it becomes a hassle.
Next thing you know they'll try to make having a job a voting requirement, having a high school diploma/GED to vote, or needing to make a certain amount of income to vote. These are just ways to disenfranchise those whom they consider “undesirable”, the truth is they don't really want Black, Latinos, poor, homeless, etc voting and taking part in the political system. If these groups have easier access to voting it'll more often than not hurt Republicans in the polls because they know the odds are that these groups are more likely to vote Democrat if given the chance, they know this which is why they've been attacking these particular voting tactics.
These supposed voter ID and elimination of mail-in ballots proposals are ways of stifling and sneakily shutting out marginalized groups from having a voice, politically speaking.
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DeuceZ
Li pitit gason
Might as well bring the poll tax to fully restore the feeling 
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
It is a poll taxMight as well bring the poll tax to fully restore the feeling
Why Do Many Minorities Not Have Valid ID To Show at the Polls?
The Justice Department notified the commonwealth of Virginia on Monday night that it would not object to its new voter ID law. The Virginia requirement...
Why Do Many Minorities Lack ID?
Investigating one of the big factors in the debate over those new voter-ID laws.
BY FORREST WICKMANAUG 21, 20126:40 PM
The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive
Photograph by Medioimages/Photodisc.
The Justice Department notified the commonwealth of Virginia on Monday night that it would not object to its new voter ID law. The Virginia requirement is just the latest such law at the center of a heated debate leading up to the 2012 election, with Republicans generally supporting the laws as a means to prevent voter fraud, while Democrats allege that the laws will disenfranchise minorities, who less often have valid IDs. Why do minorities have fewer IDs?
Because a lot of minorities don’t have much use for them. The most common voter ID is a driver’s license, and minorities are less likely to drive. A 2007 study found that in California, New Mexico, and Washington, whites were more likely to have driver’s licenses than nonwhites. In Orange County, Calif., about 92 percent of white voters had driver’s licenses, compared with only 84 percent of Latino voters and 81 percent of “other” voters. A 2005 study of Wisconsin similarly found that while about 80 percent of white residents had licenses, only about half of African-American and Hispanic residents had licenses.
Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license. Students are less likely to have driver’s licenses for the same reasons (plus the fact that they can sometimes rely on student IDs, and may just have not gotten around to getting a driver’s license yet). Moreover, minorities may be more likely to have lost their driver’s licenses: The Wisconsin study found that an estimated 8 percent of Hispanic adults and 17 percent of African-American adults had no current license but had a recent suspension or revocation. Almost half of suspended driver’s licenses were due to failure to pay outstanding fines, which may explain why poor people are less likely to have licenses.
Driver’s licenses are not the only accepted forms of identification, but minorities may face extra challenges in securing other legally valid IDs. Passports, military IDs, and other government-issued photo ID are generally accepted, and some states accept student ID cards from state universities. Texas accepts concealed-weapons licenses, but New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice points out that African-Americans are also less likely to have these concealed-gun permits. For voters who need to secure a valid ID, tracking down the necessary documents—such as a birth certificate and social security card—can take time and money, and the Brennan Center additionally reports that many voting centers are far away from minority voters and are rarely open. Minorities also move from state to state more frequently, which makes meeting varying requirements for documentation more difficult, and Hispanics often use different naming customs, which can make for additional confusion at the DMV or voting booth. Additionally, the Brennan Center suggests that minority voters are more likely to be carded at the polls.
Of course, minority voters aren’t the only group likely to be disenfranchised. Seniors, for example, are also less likely to drive. Academic studies suggest that voter ID laws do probably reduce turnout, both among Democrats and Republicans, but not by more than about 2 percent.
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Report shows young people, people of color less likely to have valid photo identification
Millions of voting-age Americans lack a current government-issued photo ID, even as a growing number of states enact new or stricter voter ID requirements, according to an analysis released today by University of Maryland researchers and a leading voting rights organization.
APRIL 14, 2023
Editors' notes
Report shows young people, people of color less likely to have valid photo identification
by University of MarylandMillions of voting-age Americans lack a current government-issued photo ID, even as a growing number of states enact new or stricter voter ID requirements, according to an analysis released today by University of Maryland researchers and a leading voting rights organization.
The report from UMD's Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement (CDCE) and VoteRiders, which focuses on ID education and assistance, analyzed data from the American National Election Studies' 2020 Time-Series Study, a survey of voting-age Americans' political attitudes and behaviors. Researchers zeroed in on responses about possession of a non-expired driver's license, U.S. passport or other form of valid, government-issued photo ID, and found deep disparities.
"With the demographics most likely to lack valid voter ID being among the fastest-growing demographic groups in the country—including young people, people of color and particularly young people of color—the potential for voter ID laws to keep more eligible citizens from casting a ballot is likely to rise as well as we head toward the 2024 elections and beyond," said Michael Hanmer, CDCE director, professor of government and politics and a co-author of the analysis.
Overall, 36 states have a law that requires or requests voters to show a form of ID before they cast their ballots. Since the 2020 elections, 16 states have enacted new ID laws or added restrictions to their existing ID laws. Voter ID laws passed after the 2020 elections in North Carolina and Montana are also currently being litigated in their respective state supreme courts.
"This data reinforces how the shifting landscape of state-level voter ID laws creates confusion and challenges for millions of Americans seeking to make their voices heard in our democracy, something our staff working on the ground across the country see firsthand every day," said Lauren Kunis, CEO and executive director of VoteRiders. "As states rapidly pass new and stricter voter ID laws, ensuring that voters are informed about these changes and have help accessing the IDs they need to cast their ballots has never been more important."
Key findings include:
- Nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver's license and more than 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification.
- In states with strict photo identification laws in 2020, more than 3 million voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a current driver's license, and more than 1 million did not have a non-expired government-issued photo identification.
- More than 11 million people ages 18–29 did not have a current driver's license, and more than 3 million did not have any unexpired government issued photo ID.
- Members of underrepresented racial and ethnic groups were less likely to have a current driver's license or other government-issued photo ID. An estimated 1.86 million Black non-Hispanic Americans (6.2%) and 1.86 million Hispanic Americans (6.1%) lack a photo ID, as do 4.5% of those who identify as Native American, Native Alaskan or another race. This compares to just 2.3% of White non-Hispanic Americans and 1.6% of Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander Americans.
- Individuals with a high school degree or less were the least likely of people of all educational levels to have a current driver's license or any photo ID. More than 18.5 million people who did not complete high school or whose highest level of education is a high school degree did not have a driver's license.
- The analysis found a strong relationship between income and lack of a driver's license, with adult Americans who earn less than $30,000 lacking a driver's license at a rate about five times greater than the highest income category of $100,000 or more.
- Those who were not registered and those who did not vote in 2020 were far more likely to lack a current driver's license and any photo ID. Adult Americans who were not registered to vote were three times more likely to lack a driver's license (30%) than those who were registered (11%). The results were similar when comparing 2020 non-voters to 2020 voters, demonstrating the disproportionate barrier that voter ID laws may create for non-voters or infrequent voters, as well as new or first-time voters.
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Why Do Many Minorities Not Have Valid ID To Show at the Polls?
The Justice Department notified the commonwealth of Virginia on Monday night that it would not object to its new voter ID law. The Virginia requirement...
I guess the bigger question is why don’t more people have IDs?
If having an ID in 2026 is such a critical thing, then where is the political drive to ensure all citizens have one? We shouldn’t infantilize minorities forever. It does a disservice to those minorities that are on their Ps and Qs
On principle, I have no issues with requiring some sort of ID to vote. Most advanced nations require as much.
The devil is in the details of enforcement and what is seen as acceptable ID.
I would think a driver’s license or state ID should be sufficient. Requiring a passport or birth certificate is just burdensome for no reason.
If having an ID in 2026 is such a critical thing, then where is the political drive to ensure all citizens have one? We shouldn’t infantilize minorities forever. It does a disservice to those minorities that are on their Ps and Qs
On principle, I have no issues with requiring some sort of ID to vote. Most advanced nations require as much.
The devil is in the details of enforcement and what is seen as acceptable ID.
I would think a driver’s license or state ID should be sufficient. Requiring a passport or birth certificate is just burdensome for no reason.
Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
Come on. It is not infantilizing minorities to acknowledge structural barriers intentionally placed in their way.
Now, look at the states where these laws are being passed - they're red and have red trifectas. The legacy of Jim Crow still thrives in the south, more so than any others. That should factor into any analysis on this issue.
Not only do these states engineer the system to concentrate and diminish the Black vote through gerrymandering, they also close down DMVs in largely Black areas, and limit hours/days they're open. Even when people have ID, they still add barriers, like packing multiple voting districts inside one polling place to increase wait times.
All these things work together to create an environment of disenfranchisement. Multiple federal court cases, constitutional challenges, and legislative battles have revolved around this.
Most of those advanced nations have some form of national ID that's free or very easy to obtain. Several automatically register voters. And some don't even require photo ID at all. The politicians in those states wouldn't support automatic registration or free IDs because it would go against the intended purpose of Voter ID laws.
Again, ask yourself why the same people behind these laws have spent decades defanging the Voting Rights Act. And then ask yourself is the fraud they claim is happening actually happening. No one has been able to prove it across numerous court cases.
If the people behind these laws actually cared about election integrity instead of disenfranchising certain voters, they would be proposing a system that makes the process easier, not more restrictive.
the missing details is that ID's aren't free, the documents needed often aren't easily obtainable or free either and the places to get these documents don't operate out of the usual M-F 9-5 hour working hours of the average american. you're talking $$$ and possibly more than a one day off work in order to obtain an ID.
Shouldn’t the push then be get more people an ID? To me, that’s the bigger thing.
Do most valid drivers in the US not have DLs?
I’m sorry but not having an ID in 2026 is just bewildering to me. I have 3: my MD DL, my Cali State ID and my Passport Card. My passports, too but that’s a different convo.
My bro, we aren’t disagreeing to be honest.
In principle, I fully agree with having an ID to vote. The key will be how it’s implemented.
Repubs are trying to limit voters, that is known. But validating someone’s identity to vote, on face value, is not controversial in my humble opinion.
The more egregious offenses are things like limiting mail in ballots etc.
Supporting, in principle, requiring an ID to vote =\= I want to restrict people’s ability to vote
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Pull Up the Roots
Talking? During horse head bookends?
I agree in principle. Requiring an ID isn't inherently bad. But when taken together with everything else? I can't support them.
I definitely don't think that's what you want to do personally. I'm just trying to explain the track record of the people passing these laws and their outcomes.
