If you were starting an NBA team, who would you rather build around - Durant or Bron?
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So really you just don't like Bron huh? We've seen Kobe, Durant, Wade whatever other cold-blooded killer disappear in playoff games and it's all good because you have already decided that they are cold-blooded killers. Niccas totally ignore that the team lost by 40 in that game and that he came back the next game with 24, 19, 10 and of course they still lost. The irony of him "joining a superteam" is that almost every other option on the table was a better fit basketball wise. Wade was the best player he could have teamed up with but he's a also a carbon copy of him. On 2K it's a superteam, in real life they still have issues trying to fit together 2 years later. Not too many players are gonna fit well with guys who do the exact same thing that they do. Bron and Bosh have fit very well together, just look at the games that Wade missed.
All things being equal it is easier to build a squad around Bron if you actually give him a role. Dudes role for 9 years has been "Do everything Bron.". KD's role has been to score and has recently began expanding to defense and rebounding and getting other guys involved however the team does have guys that can effectively do all those things in addition to him. Beyond that he has teammates that step up in big moments. Without Westbrook and Harden and Ibaka playing as big as they have the Spurs sweep and KD regardless of how well he played individually is at home. Thats what happened to Bron in Cleveland. He had had Mo and Tawn who were good dependable options in the regular who disappeared on him come playoff time. He had a dependable option last year and inexplicably disappeared...no excuses, no pleas he just flat disappeared. Outside of that throughout his career, including this year it's basically been Bron or bust. So of course he's gonna lose and look bad. KD on the other hand has guys to prop him up and make him look even better.
No denying that Bron chose this situation though. He picked friendship over winning and now he's paying for it. All that said if you can't deny the value of a guy who isn't even a scorer who can give you 30 a night, set other guys up, grab boards, defend the other teams best guy regardless of position. He's like a 5-tool baseball player. If you are starting from scratch I would much rather build around that. You can find guys like Cassell, Horry, Fisher, Kerr that can step up and hit big shots for you. Not too many guys that can do all the things Bron can do for you.
Since he got to MIA Wade has had the ball in his hands for most clutch situations with Bron standing in the corner like he's John Paxon. When Bron had the ball it's usually Wade doing the same thing. As far as Cleveland goes they actually faired better late in games than MIA has. When it got thick in the playoffs though it was Bron or bust.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
The moment Lebron hopped on that stage in MIA, after mailing it in against Boston during his last year in Cleveland, and talked about how easy it was gonna be to dominate the league, letting Riley run the point, and promised 8 championships...I took a sacred oath to never ever again entertain an "
bu bu bu Lebron's team ain't good enough" argument...just...not....gonna....do...it
It's too ridiculous at this point
After last year's Finals and watching him just leave a ring on the table with a complete non-effort, I put him on "Dirk sat idly by while D-Wade snatched a ring from him, only to follow it up by getting hoe'd by Goldenstate the next season" status...Until he proves me to me otherwise, when it counts most, his heart pumps kool-aid...I don't want that as the core and leader of my team...hoping for a Dirk 2011 redemption run one-off ring at some point in the future as my payoff...not when the next initiate of the ancient fraternal order of bonified NBA killer assassins is available....Lebron is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! Durant's Alexander! He's Michael Jordan. He's Kobe Bryant. He's from their cloth. His jumper is impetuous, his will is furuous...he wants other teams hearts.
The moment Lebron hopped on that stage in MIA, after mailing it in against Boston during his last year in Cleveland, and talked about how easy it was gonna be to dominate the league, letting Riley run the point, and promised 8 championships...I took a sacred oath to never ever again entertain an "
just...not....gonna....do...it
It's too ridiculous at this point
After last year's Finals and watching him just leave a ring on the table with a complete non-effort, I put him on "Dirk sat idly by while D-Wade snatched a ring from him, only to follow it up by getting hoe'd by Goldenstate the next season" status...Until he proves me to me otherwise, when it counts most, his heart pumps kool-aid...I don't want that as the core and leader of my team...hoping for a Dirk 2011 redemption run one-off ring at some point in the future as my payoff...not when the next initiate of the ancient fraternal order of bonified NBA killer assassins is available....Lebron is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! Durant's Alexander! He's Michael Jordan. He's Kobe Bryant. He's from their cloth. His jumper is impetuous, his will is furuous...he wants other teams hearts.
Damn you really pulling out classics here huh? We start with Capt Sav a Hoe and end with Mike Tyson.
An assassin ain't shyt without the right killers around him. Just ask Mike from early in his career or Kobe from the middle of last decade. Durant has other assassins on his squad meanwhile Bron's supposed assassin is still living off 06. It's not excuses or saving anyone it's facts.
There is no defense of his performance in the Finals last year and I would never try too. That's not what I saw in Cleveland though. Bron came through in many a game while he was there. Maybe he truly did underestimate how hard it would be once he joined up with Wade because this ain't the same guy from Cleveland.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
So we're righteously comparing the Kwame Brown/Smush Parker era Lakers and the Sedelle Threat/Pete Meyers era Bulls to Bron's Wade/Bosh Heatles superteam
I took that oath to save me from this type of bron ball coddling insanity
So we're righteously comparing the Kwame Brown/Smush Parker era Lakers and the Sedelle Threat/Pete Meyers era Bulls to Bron's Wade/Bosh Heatles superteam
Actually I was comparing some of those Cleveland teams to those Lakers and Bulls squads. The point is if Pip and Grant never come along and play like they did Mike doesn't win those rings. If Shaq doesn't come to town and play like he did and later on down the road if Bynum doesn't develop and Pau never comes along and plays like he did Kobe doesn't win his rings. As far as the Heat go it's not ball coddling to point to the fact that despite the level of individual talent on the Heat Bron hasn't really been that much better off than he was in Cleveland. Outside of that Finals Bron has consistenly shown up while in MIA, the same can't be said for Wade and Bosh has obviously been hurt recently.
Last year when the Lakers got swept by the Mavs nobody called Kobe a choker or accused him of disappearing despite the fact that he was pretty much non-existent in 3 consecutive close 4th qtrs. All I heard about was Pau being soft. People pick and chose what they wanna focus on and who they wanna give blame too. All I'm saying is that if you are being fair and logical the only year you can truly say Bron choked and put it on him was last year. Outside of that he's done everything one guy could do and hasn't had enough from the other guys. There is a difference between saving a nikka and ball coddling or whatever else you wanna say and acknowledging what has actually happened. Much like there is a difference between legitimate criticism and pure hate.
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
Lebron gets those criticisms because many of his fans were claiming that Lebron was SO good he'd turn any srub team into not only legit contenders but favorites to win it all.
People are trying to have it both ways. You can't give him ALL the credit when the team is winning and then try and absolve him of all blame when the team loses.
Logically every sensible person knows it takes a well crafted team to win it all, but Lebron stans set that precedent of claiming he could drag bum squads to championships and if he had just little bit of help he'd be unbeatable.
4 years running this dude has been on teams heavily favored to win it ALL. The teams beast in the regular season, make a little bit of noise in the playoffs and then completely collapse at some point with him having a couple empty stat stuff games along the way. Dirk was stuck in the same cycle for a long time too but in that case nobody was claiming Dirk was singlehandedly leading the Mavs to multiple 50+ win seasons.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
After that lie, the rest is more disgraceful "
bu bu bu Bron's team ain't good enough for him to possibly win" ridiculousness...and more flat out liesKobe is 5 rings deep and still gets maligned as a washed up, overrated chucker by people every season that doesn't end in a championship...you're seriously saying Kobe didn't suffer blowback for getting swept by Dallas...it is what it is, part of what comes along with the expectations of greatness
I'm convinced there is no collection of talent imaginable that can stop the babying of Lebron...his team will continue to be not good enough no matter what, until he finally wins one..."he had more than enough talent around him, but just didn't get it done" is an non-option in the minds of some...hence the oath....pick Bron if you must man, I just can't argue these excuses anymore...I'm picking Durant
I'm taking Bron....as much as I like em both...I'm rolling with Bron....dude is a rare player....RARE. And why yall acting like it's Lebron's fault they down to the Celtics...dude has been balling every series.
HacksawJimThuggin
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See why reactionary threads are dumb as fukk?
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this post is just as reactionary as the thread my brother
you act like someone cant legitimately choose to build around the 23 year old scoring champ....the most unique pure small forward in history over the 27 year old lebron
