If you were to put Steph Curry on the 2001 Sixers would they still make the finals?
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Homeboy Runny-Ray
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when people refer to them as bums, they are really just talking offense.
with defenses zero'd in solely on curry and without the defensive restrictions of todays game, Curry is not the same player.
of course ray allen had a better series. he had big dog, cassell, thomas and they still lost.
Philly doesn't even get to the conference finals without Aaron McKie playing well offensively against Toronto, including leading Philly in scoring in G7. Calling them bums while glorifying Iverson who never carried "bums" past the 2nd round ever again in his career is a joke. In truth, he probably had the best support of any star in the East in 2001.
Robinson and Cassell weren't good in the ECF. That's largely why they lost the ECF. Thomas was a solid role player, but no clue why you're mentioning him here while no mention of Mutumbo who was better than any of Ray's teammates.
35 year old Reggie Miller dropped 31ppg against Philly's top 5 defense in the '01 playoffs and we're sitting here questing what Curry would do as if his shooting isn't giving every defense headaches in that era. I don't know what people are watching.
It's painfully hilarious watching folks stumble over and over trying to work out a basic ass game like basketball. I seriously wonder how some of you manage to get through everyday life.
Of course, this won't be addressed.
Folks only see through the lens of whatever fits their preconceived notion and ignore whatever runs contrary to that. They don't ever want to engage in any argument where they know traps lie ahead, which is why they keep posting this vague bullshyt without actually going into any detail or contextualizing anything because they'll eventually be forced to acknowledge all their bullshyt.
It's funny how you see conditions where Steph is the most heavily-guarded player in NBA history, whilst still being able to exist as an all-time offensive juggarnaut, and think that a lesser player, with less defensive attention, is not only better, but is somehow playing in a more restrictive and tougher environment.
Defenses in 2001 wouldn't know what the fukk to do with Steph.
They'd use one defender to chase him around screens (as opposed to the 2-3 that shadow him in today's league; or as you've pointed out, implement a 5v1 strategy on him) and they'd be burned every cotdamn time. They wouldn't try to force the ball out his hands the moment he crosses halfcourt or even guard him the moment he crosses halfcourt and they'd be burned every cotdamn time.
If they defended Steph like they did A.I., Steph's putting up some historic numbers during a time that by conventional wisdom was the antithesis to productive offensive play.
Just look at how poorly AI and Reggie are defended on off-ball plays; defense that either consists of one-man or late rotations resulting in an open look. Now imagine Steph getting those same opportunities. He wouldn't even need to relocate multiple times to get an open shot. All he'd need to do is run around one off-ball screen and it'd be daylight.
Here's a 35-year-old Reggie against the '01 Lakers -
Just look at how embarrassing the off-ball defense is: only ONE defender on him, late rotations, defenders going under screens, no communication, no attempt to run him off the 3-pt line, no attempt at trying to guard him behind the arc without the ball, and no attempt from the bigs and help defenders to track him when he frees himself from a screen.
He's literally running to his initial spot and getting an open look.
Even Shaq out here making some half-assed attempt at playing perimeter defense and just lets a one-foot-in-the-grave Reggie go right past him.
Just look at how embarrassing the off-ball defense is: only ONE defender on him, late rotations, defenders going under screens, no communication, no attempt to run him off the 3-pt line, no attempt at trying to guard him behind the arc without the ball, and no attempt from the bigs and help defenders to track him when he frees himself from a screen.
He's literally running to his initial spot and getting an open look.
Even Shaq out here making some half-assed attempt at playing perimeter defense and just lets a one-foot-in-the-grave Reggie go right past him.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
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mckie stepped up in that game but he wasnt going off on the regular. thats the point. cmon now.
im not arguing whether or not those bucks played good in that series. the point is, they were still offensive threats.
reggie wasnt a one-man show on offense tho.
its like youre ignoring my entire point, and nit-picking around it.
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Basketball isnt just plug n play and expect the same results, the Warriors system maximizes Stephs potential and makes him the best possible player he can be and without Klay Thompson to give him spacing hed just get doubled all game and smacked around, we know Curry cant handle physicality as its been shown time and time again
i can see Steph chucking them to conference finals but that Bucks team is shredding them to pieces
Basketball isnt just plug n play and expect the same results, the Warriors system maximizes Stephs potential and makes him the best possible player he can be and without Klay Thompson to give him spacing hed just get doubled all game and smacked around, we know Curry cant handle physicality as its been shown time and time again
i can see Steph chucking them to conference finals but that Bucks team is shredding them to pieces
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JesusFOREVER
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Why is Curry a more efficient scorer? Because he plays in a great system with a great coach and has the second best shooter ever next to him, seriously people just throw that under the rug when talking about Steph and the warriors, Steph alone isnt what makes them so dangerous its Steph and Klay as a duoNo chance. A more efficient scorer and the best shooter of all time would only make that team worse.
we already saw what the Warriors were when Steph had a greenlight to chuck whenever he wants, consistent 1st and 2nd round exist
So he stepped up in G7 of the semifinals. Doesn't sound like a bum to me. Saying that Iverson played with bums, carried bums whatever is just a dumb take that lacks nuance of what actually happened.
For some reason you keep trying to equate offensive support to Iverson, when Ray didn't have the defensive support of Iverson to shoot poorly and win as consistently as Iverson could (Bucks had one of the worst defenses in the league in '01). That would help him more vs postseason competition than a pair of inconsistent offensive teammates.
I'd ask you to watch how the Sixers used Iverson off ball and imagine how destructive Curry would be in that scenario. A lot of people seem to just not remember what Iverson's game was under Larry Brown. He didn't just play 1on1 every possession down the court, dribble the air out of the bal and create something out of nothing; a lot of his possessions were generated from screening actions, off ball movement, getting him the ball in advantageous situations. If Iverson were a better shooter he'd thrive more in those situations (Curry is actually a BETTER fit for that offense than Iverson stylistically). Put a GOAT shooter in that circumstance and what do you think happens. Put one of the most efficient creators this game has seen in that circumstance and what do you think happens. Give him one of the best defenses in the league on top of his volume scoring and what do you think happens. and he's proven to be able to do that when the focus of an opposing defense. That shouldn't be a question unless you just haven't been paying attention.
I bring up Reggie b/c he generated so much of his offense off ball and thrived in the playoffs in the 90s era that has been hyperbolized to death. Reggie went up against the Riley Knicks in their prime, one of the best defenses of all time, and still proved to be very difficult for them to deal with. And Reggie WAS the focus of their defense. STILL found openings b/c it was that hard to stop him such a strong shooter. Reggie obviously doesn't have the skill of Steph. Ridiculous to think Steph wouldn't succeed back then, when a lesser analogue did.
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Homeboy Runny-Ray
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i never said they were bums.
i stopped reading right there. i dont know how you can take somebody's post way out of context - if you even read my post, then turn around and expect someone to read your novel.