If you're black and atheist, why arent you automatically considered a white supremacist?

[joeychizzle]

Another edition of the Mental Gymnastics Special Olympics.

 

[kingofnyc]

Breh highlights one sentence that makes him confused instead of addressing the topic as a whole

Bye bye now

 

[Everythingg]

Scientists can create clouds in a lab too, that doesn't mean that clouds don't occur naturally.

We can observe the forming of clouds but they have never observed abiogenesis

Breh, you can go read several peer reviewed scientific journals, that show exactly how their data was obtained, what assumptions they took, etc. You can google the evidence, its out there. Theres no proof of Moses talking to God, outside of the bible. The bible is the claim, not the proof. & you're already saying the big bang is feasible if everything doesn't have to come from something \/ \/ \/ \/

You didnt see any of that before believing though. And them just saying "we did this and saw that" doesnt constitute proof no matter how many of them say it...

Why didn't you quote or respond to the point about consciousness being an evolutionary byproduct? Nothing about consciousness suggests it must be designed by another conscious being
You keep posing the question, how does consciousness arise without a conscious creator? But you've never explained why consciousness needs a conscious creator in the first place

Again, how does it make sense that the source of our existence (the universe, big bang, hydrogen, oxygen whatever...) doesnt have the things we do (life)? The source of our existence cant decide like we can either? Cant move on its own? Cant talk? Yet somehow it "randomly" burst things into existence that CAN do thse things? How does this make sense to you?

I think life coming from life makes more sense that life coming from something that does not have life in itself...

& are you saying you need a creator for life in general or only consciousness?

Both.

The point is if this "superior" species is almost extinct, then what is "superiority" really if you're dying? And you're acting like there's a giant monolithic cac empire, but there's different groups of people controlling different shyt. Your saying cacs are arbitrarily superior anyway; they're a minority globally, other races are superior in numbers.
Evolution doesn't react to something as arbitrary a race & even if it did, there hasn't been enough time for any effects of it to be apparent. Survival of the fittest doesn't work in this context because its an aspect of evolution. There needs to be something that forces a split in a species so great that speciation occurs. Mixed babies are born everyday, that shyts not happening. Humans are 99.999999% the same biologically, race is just a social construct. We haven't "split" significantly enough to compete among eachother in well defined groups.

America/UK/Israel has the whole world in check minus a few countries... If that isnt a monolithic empire than what is?

"Superiority" isnt based on numbers either. Its based on position in existence. And the cac's existence, is greater than that of other races. Not inherently, but as a result of the white supremacy they have enacted on the whole globe. Now how, again to atheists, did they get the WORLD to believe in white supremacy where no matter the place (South America, India, Africa) the people there believe in colorism?

I just explained how this innate sense is an evolutionary byproduct
Once again, why didn't you quote/respond to that part? You keep ducking my points

How come humans developed morals but there are no morals in nature then?

 

[Everythingg]

Use cac English but try to tell us you won't accept the definitions of said language brehs

I know what a devil is and I know what an advocate is just as I know what a pedophile is and what an advocate is. I wouldnt call myself "The Pedophile's Advocate" just because a cac tells me it means something else. You do you breh

 

[Everythingg]

Sorry can't read all this.

So.

We have to believe in an afterlife to make ourselves feel better about white people conquering the globe?

This was a philosophical question breh. Not a literal "black atheists are picketing white supremacists" thread

How did whites overcome blacks and the world if they arent supreme? I ask this to atheists who do not believe a Higher Power is working towards a purpose...

If this is such an issue then we have to like build some buildings and and unite and junk. Ya know. Do something. Developing an alternate Universe in our minds where we will someday be happy isn't the solution Breh.

Didnt we already build buildings and unite and junk and still they cut us down? When will we try something new?

 

[thekingsmen]

They mad @Everythingg

 

[Ghost Utmost]

This was a philosophical question breh. Not a literal "black atheists are picketing white supremacists" thread

How did whites overcome blacks and the world if they arent supreme? I ask this to atheists who do not believe a Higher Power is working towards a purpose...



Didnt we already build buildings and unite and junk and still they cut us down? When will we try something new?

It's Jungle Rules. Always has been. Always will be. They are the lion. We are the antelope. They roll through at will and snatch niqqas up and tear them to bits.

You want this to stop? It's just simply gonna take us becoming stronger. Physically, mentally exert a massive massive effort in THIS life.

Preacher got our head fukced up thinking it's any more or less than that.

If you wanna bring G-d into it you gotta start thinking of the fact that G-d made the devil. All the hurricanes and swarms of killer bees come from G-d. Trying to pray the white man away is about as effective as taking a small boat into the middle of the ocean and pray a big ass storm away.

I know it makes you sad to think that the bad guys have won. Me too.

I'm telling you the answer. It's ALOT of legwork. Like.. an almost superhuman amount. One of the most difficult steps will be to even convince niqqas to move in one direction.

And to be clear: I am not talking about conquering the planet, just simply holding our square. (The honey badger comes to mind but that doesn't quite work in the lion analogy)

 

[Everythingg]

They mad @Everythingg

You see it too?

It's Jungle Rules. Always has been. Always will be. They are the lion. We are the antelope. They roll through at will and snatch niqqas up and tear them to bits.

You want this to stop? It's just simply gonna take us becoming stronger. Physically, mentally exert a massive massive effort in THIS life.

Preacher got our head fukced up thinking it's any more or less than that.

If you wanna bring G-d into it you gotta start thinking of the fact that G-d made the devil. All the hurricanes and swarms of killer bees come from G-d. Trying to pray the white man away is about as effective as taking a small boat into the middle of the ocean and pray a big ass storm away.

I know it makes you sad to think that the bad guys have won. Me too.

I'm telling you the answer. It's ALOT of legwork. Like.. an almost superhuman amount. One of the most difficult steps will be to even convince niqqas to move in one direction.

And to be clear: I am not talking about conquering the planet, just simply holding our square. (The honey badger comes to mind but that doesn't quite work in the lion analogy)

I do not disagree with ONE thing you said in this post. Not one. Even the stuff about the preacher I agree with. But my point isnt that the white man IS superior and theres nothing blacks can do about it. Its more that to atheists, Im not sure how this ISNT the case. As you said, its jungle rules, and who is on top right now? And if we look at it historically, blacks tried to come up with groupeconomics and failed (Rosewood/Black walstreet). They tried the "lets go back to Africa" route and failed (Liberia/Garvey to an extent). They tried the "lets stay here but be self defensive" route with the black panthers/Malcolm X way. That failed. They tried the "lets turn the other cheek and beat them with love" route and that also failed. SO at every turn we've failed against overcoming whites. Again, how isnt this proof, to an atheist mind you, that the white man is superior?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

You see it too?



I do not disagree with ONE thing you said in this post. Not one. Even the stuff about the preacher I agree with. But my point isnt that the white man IS superior and theres nothing blacks can do about it. Its more that to atheists, Im not sure how this ISNT the case. As you said, its jungle rules, and who is on top right now? And if we look at it historically, blacks tried to come up with groupeconomics and failed (Rosewood/Black walstreet). They tried the "lets go back to Africa" route and failed (Liberia/Garvey to an extent). They tried the "lets stay here but be self defensive" route with the black panthers/Malcolm X way. That failed. They tried the "lets turn the other cheek and beat them with love" route and that also failed. SO at every turn we've failed against overcoming whites. Again, how isnt this proof, to an atheist mind you, that the white man is superior?

You think white people are superior and there's no way for Black people to rise.

I'm not getting the 'atheist' angle.

I think that millions of Black people CAN work together and build.

It might be tough. It might be improbable.

But it's POSSIBLE.

If we do or if we don't: religious leanings don't matter.

G-d will help you move mountains.. but G-d will give you a shovel. The rest is ON YOU.

Your mind is already defeated Breh. This reads like an agent trying to convince us that we can't.

We absolutely CAN. Prayer/belief/whatever won't be a factor. Only WORK.

 

[Everythingg]

You think white people are superior and there's no way for Black people to rise.

I'm not getting the 'atheist' angle.

Lets not put words in my mouth. With no Creator to put morality for humans (you know an OBJECTIVE one, not one where one group decides the rest of the group will abide by such and such....), then its survival of the fittest just like it is in nature. The strongest survive in nature correct? Now apply this to the existence of white supremacy, and my point should be made.

I think that millions of Black people CAN work together and build.

It might be tough. It might be improbable.

But it's POSSIBLE.

Agreed. But we HAVE done this before, and whites put a stop to it. Again, to the atheist, why doesnt this prove that they are superior if no matter what, whites put a stop to black progression?

If we do or if we don't: religious leanings don't matter.

G-d will help you move mountains.. but G-d will give you a shovel. The rest is ON YOU.

Your mind is already defeated Breh. This reads like an agent trying to convince us that we can't.

We absolutely CAN. Prayer/belief/whatever won't be a factor. Only WORK.

Everything you suggested we already tried. I mean love yourself out of oppression, defend yourself from oppression, practice group economics, run to Africa, stay segregated, desegregated and it all failed because whites put a stop to it. I dont believe whites are superior and believe they were given this type of authority so something greater could happen in the future, but again, for atheists, how doesnt this prove that whites are superior? How come no matter what blacks have tried, they havent been able to put a STOP to their oppression, if all peoplle are equal?

Again,my answer has to do with spirituality where these things are happening because of a bigger purpose that will be revealed later. My answer is NOT that its because whites are superior that blacks cant overcome the oppression they face. But to atheists, why cant blacks shake off whites if whites arent superior?

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Lets not put words in my mouth. With no Creator to put morality for humans (you know an OBJECTIVE one, not one where one group decides the rest of the group will abide by such and such....), then its survival of the fittest just like it is in nature. The strongest survive in nature correct? Now apply this to the existence of white supremacy, and my point should be made.



Agreed. But we HAVE done this before, and whites put a stop to it. Again, to the atheist, why doesnt this prove that they are superior if no matter what, whites put a stop to black progression?



Everything you suggested we already tried. I mean love yourself out of oppression, defend yourself from oppression, practice group economics, run to Africa, stay segregated, desegregated and it all failed because whites put a stop to it. I dont believe whites are superior and believe they were given this type of authority so something greater could happen in the future, but again, for atheists, how doesnt this prove that whites are superior? How come no matter what blacks have tried, they havent been able to put a STOP to their oppression, if all peoplle are equal?

Again,my answer has to do with spirituality where these things are happening because of a bigger purpose that will be revealed later. My answer is NOT that its because whites are superior that blacks cant overcome the oppression they face. But to atheists, why cant blacks shake off whites if whites arent superior?

G-d ain't gonna come down and save you. Your afterlife might be fiction.

G-d is torturing and killing millions of people over centuries to prove some kind of point?

Try to shake your Sunday School classes Breh Breh.

K. Bye.

 

[Silkk]

One of the DUMBEST threads i've ever seen on here. No hyperbole either

 

[YaBoy]

We can observe the forming of clouds but they have never observed abiogenesis

Fair enough

But we've never observed God or a lot of other shyt from the bible either. We've also never been able to recreate God or a lot of the other shyt, which is part of the reason it seems less plausible to me.

You didnt see any of that before believing though. And them just saying "we did this and saw that" doesnt constitute proof no matter how many of them say it...

Why does the time I saw it have anything to do with the validity of the data? Actually God/religion always seemed kinda ridiculous to me even as a kid. I didn't understand a lot of the shyt I do today, so I just left it at "I don't know"


& if hard data & observations, peer-reviewed by other experts, doesn't constitute proof, then what does?
If all that doesn't constitute proof, then what exactly is the proof of God/bible/religion?

Again, how does it make sense that the source of our existence (the universe, big bang, hydrogen, oxygen whatever...) doesnt have the things we do (life)? The source of our existence cant decide like we can either? Cant move on its own? Cant talk? Yet somehow it "randomly" burst things into existence that CAN do thse things? How does this make sense to you?
I think life coming from life makes more sense that life coming from something that does not have life in itself...

So since you can't logically refute my point, you'll just keep saying it doesn't make sense? I'm atleast providing concrete points that counter your argument. What you think doesn't matter if you can't back it up.


The argument used to be rain came from the Rain God because they didn't understand the water cycle & "that makes more sense". Thats pretty much what you're doing right now. Why don't you try to refute the actual view points of the big bang/evolution/abiogenesis/etc instead of just saying "Nah breh, I don't understand it, so it can't be true"?

America/UK/Israel has the whole world in check minus a few countries... If that isnt a monolithic empire than what is?
"Superiority" isnt based on numbers either. Its based on position in existence. And the cac's existence, is greater than that of other races. Not inherently, but as a result of the white supremacy they have enacted on the whole globe. Now how, again to atheists, did they get the WORLD to believe in white supremacy where no matter the place (South America, India, Africa) the people there believe in colorism?

Maybe you don't understand survival of the fittest as an evolutionary concept. Most religious people with your kind of argument don't


Is she in or out of the cac empire?

You can't say definitively because there's no definitive cac empire. That's why survival of the fittest doesn't work with race. Race is too arbitrary.

How come humans developed morals but there are no morals in nature then?

So you just gonna ignore what I said again?

We're also far more intelligent than any other animal. I don't know if you're expecting some kind of Squirrel Code of Conduct or what?

 

[Everythingg]

G-d ain't gonna come down and save you.

Im not waiting on God to save me before taking action myself. You're just putting words in my mouth...

Your afterlife might be fiction.

Sure..

G-d is torturing and killing millions of people over centuries to prove some kind of point?

I thought humans were the ones doing that? Or should God intervene anyways even though humans have rejected Him?

Try to shake your Sunday School classes Breh Breh.

Already did which is why I told you or others that "christianity" was and is a cac's religion meant to bind blacks. Thats why the "god" of the religion was named"Jesus" just like the slave ship that brought blacks into bondage. Because thats exactly what the religion does...

K. Bye.

 

[Everythingg]

Fair enough

But we've never observed God or a lot of other shyt from the bible either. We've also never been able to recreate God or a lot of the other shyt, which is part of the reason it seems less plausible to me.

Incorrect. The right thing to say is that YOU havent. And thats what you should leave it as... You cant verify alot of what science says to be true (the earth's shape for one instance) without referring to what someone else said.. You CAN verify if the bible is true by reading it, and applying it to your life and seeing what goes down afterwards... Most brehs aint willing to take that step though

Why does the time I saw it have anything to do with the validity of the data? Actually God/religion always seemed kinda ridiculous to me even as a kid. I didn't understand a lot of the shyt I do today, so I just left it at "I don't know"


& if hard data & observations, peer-reviewed by other experts, doesn't constitute proof, then what does?
If all that doesn't constitute proof, then what exactly is the proof of God/bible/religion?

All Im saying is reading a bunch of people say they saw or verified something doesnt constitute as proof. No matter how many people you have saying it. And I say that since many people telling us about the verification of God doesnt constitute proof right?

Heres the hypocrisy of those who ask for proof of God (which usually means they want to SEE something).

They dont ask for proof that the world is round


What, you dont have to see that the world is round to believe it, but you have to see God to believe Him?

So since you can't logically refute my point, you'll just keep saying it doesn't make sense? I'm atleast providing concrete points that counter your argument. What you think doesn't matter if you can't back it up.


The argument used to be rain came from the Rain God because they didn't understand the water cycle & "that makes more sense". Thats pretty much what you're doing right now. Why don't you try to refute the actual view points of the big bang/evolution/abiogenesis/etc instead of just saying "Nah breh, I don't understand it, so it can't be true"?

Why would I need to "refute" any of that when none of those view points disprove the existence of God? Big Bang? Well theres always the question about what set the big bang into action. Abiogenesis? Hasnt been proven to exist without the use of intelligent design (scientist recreating circumstanecs to where they can observe it in action). Evolution? Same thing. Can still exist with the existence of God.Theres nothing to refute in regards to these things.

As far as your "point" why dont you take it a step further and explain to me why you dont feel that my belief that life doesnt come from things that do not have life in itself is incorrect? Explain why a lifeless universe/hydrogen/big bang etc... whatever cant move, talk, walk, decide, give life purposely, take life purposely, etc... can give existence to life forms that can do all these things? Instead of telling me to back up PHILOSOPHICAL ideas with concrete proof (even though we havent seen ONE instance of life coming out of something without life unless intelligent design is involved) why dont you explain why YOU see things differently?

Maybe you don't understand survival of the fittest as an evolutionary concept. Most religious people with your kind of argument don't


Is she in or out of the cac empire?

White supremacy says shes in

You do believe white supremacy exists right?

You can't say definitively because there's no definitive cac empire. That's why survival of the fittest doesn't work with race. Race is too arbitrary.

UK,Israel, and Britain have their foots on the world's neck (outside a handful of countries that is). Thats the empire Im referring to. And through this empire they have instituted white supremacy (light is right, dark is bad) EVERYWHERE they have gone. Everywhere from Africa to India, to South America have examples of colorism that comes from white supremacy...

So you just gonna ignore what I said again?

We're also far more intelligent than any other animal. I don't know if you're expecting some kind of Squirrel Code of Conduct or what?

Saying its innate (for humans only funnily enough) to have morals is a cop out. There is no correlation with intelligence and morals as there are very intelligent people in this world who act without morals (see Nazi scientists) while there are those with little worldly intelligence who are highly moral. The universe has no morals,but some how popped us out into existence with morals? This goes for alot of the things we can do. Our creator (the universe/big bang) cant think. It cant decide. It cant kill and bring to life by CHOICE. It has no morals to observe. But somehow it popped us into existence (randomly might I add) with all these abilities that it in itself, does not have?

Yet instead of YOU explaining to me why this makes sense, you keep demanding that I give you some type of specific answer that I dont have. I dont know what you want me to say other than this. This is my position. The honest thing to do, would be you to respond as to why thiis makes sense to you. Not keep demanding that I give you some specific answer

PS: You dont have to respond paragraph by paragraph so this doesnt get too long. Just had to elongate my answer because you keep saying Im not answering you when I am (imo at least)