I'm a black brazilian, ask me anything.

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Dude, Muhammad Ali had Irish heritage to begin with. Just look at him. Probably more than the average Black person.

The Greatest, Muhammad Ali, was very proud of his Irish roots

You don't know how many generations of Whiteness Ali had in him to begin with.

And once again, you keep ignoring that the MAJORITY of Blacks were killed off.

You ignore 90% of the Blacks who were killed in war and disease to focus on the small REMAINDER who were bred.

If 100,000 Blacks were killed off in wars and with disease and the remaining 5,000 were bred out, then the story isn't misegenation, the story is the 100,000 that were massacred & poisoned.

Only in some warped mind can you ignore Blacks being put on the front lines of wars and having whole communities slaughtered and poised to focuse on a relatively small percentage of people being bred out.

Like I said, if you could breed out Blacks that easily WITHOUT JUST MASSACRING them, then Brazil wouldn't be so Black.

Neither would the Dominican Republic or Cuba or Puerto Rico.

Hell, pretty much every other new world country other than Amerikkka tried to breed out the Blacks in some way or another and how has that worked out for them?

"Dude, Muhammad Ali had Irish heritage to begin with. Just look at him. Probably more than the average Black person." - You have no evidence to support this claim. He probably had average European admixture that Af-Ams have. What happened to his descendants could probably happen to most Af-Ams if their offspring c00ned hard enough.

"And once again, you keep ignoring that the MAJORITY of Blacks were killed off." - We don't know that to be certain. Buenos Aires was 1/3rd Black at one point. They majority were not "killed off".

"You ignore 90% of the Blacks who were killed in war and disease to focus on the small REMAINDER who were bred" - Again, we don't know. That's part of the convenient lie of the Argentine gov't.

"Like I said, if you could breed out Blacks that easily WITHOUT JUST MASSACRING them, then Brazil wouldn't be so Black." - Most Afro-descendants in Brazil don't classify themselves as Black.

Brazil 2010 census shows changing race balance - BBC News

"Out of around 191m Brazilians, 91 million identified themselves as white, 82m as mixed race and 15m as black"

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

REVIEW ESSAY
AFRO-ARGENTINE HISTORIOGRAPHY
Claire Healy

"The demographic decline of the Afro-Argentines has variously been attributed to miscegenation, disease and warfare. George Reid Andrews sets out four principal reasons for the decline in the first chapter of his book: death and injury in wars, intermarriage, low birth rates and high mortality, (note that no particular cause is designated as the most principal cause in the demographic decline of Afro-Argentines) and the decline in the slave trade. He later appends reclassification of black people as white or mestizo to the list. Indeed, reclassification has its origins in the early eighteenth century, when the Spanish monarchy instituted a system whereby a subject could purchase certificates of legal ‘‘whiteness’’ called gracias al sacar. Andrews argues that death had less to do with the perceived disappearance of Afro-Argentines than such reclassification, frequently as ‘‘triguen˜os,’’ and cultural prejudices (note that racial classifications which de-emphasized the existence of Afro-Argentines to incentivize their assimilation into broader Argentine identity is noted )."

"Death in the army is frequently referred to as the primary reason for the demographic decline of Afro-Argentines. George Reid Andrews usefully reveals the fact that desertions massively outweighed deaths in Argentine armies; it was more convenient for historians and society in general to claim that these soldiers had died rather than deserted, and stayed alive. Daniel Scha´velzon adds that many Afro-Argentines’ response to their inferior situation was the most self-destructive response of all, suicide.

What is not emphasised enough in any of the five books is the effect of cessation of immigration from Africa on the survival of the Afro-Argentines as a recognisable social group in the face of mass immigration from Europe.

1869, the proportion of the national population who were of African origin was registered as 26.1%; in 1895, it was 1.8%. Solomianski provides a more comprehensive analysis of the effect of European immigration on the Afro-Argentine community, seeing it as the most decisive factor in the ‘‘the dilution of the social reference group’’ of Afro-Argentines. He considered the increase in associative activity and the proliferation of newspapers in the community as a reaction to the threat posed by successive waves of European immigration. Immigrants did edge slaves, and then free Afro-Argentines, out of their traditional employment as artisans or in agriculture. At the turn of the century, according to Scha´velzon, 37% of free and enslaved agricultural labourers were of African origin. Another area where immigrants ultimately replaced Afro-Argentines was in music and dance.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

All I'm saying is that this emphasis on "wars and disease" is an attempt to deflect from the biological warfare waged by Argentine governments on Black people, particularly Black men before 1900. War may have been a factor, but it is overestimated given the historiographic evidence I just posted.

 

[IWunD3r]

I often hear some white brazilians saying there's no racism in Brazil since they're very mixed and discrimination is based on class rather than race. Would you say there's some truth to it?

They say the same about us in the states.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

"Dude, Muhammad Ali had Irish heritage to begin with. Just look at him. Probably more than the average Black person." - You have no evidence to support this claim. He probably had average European admixture that Af-Ams have. What happened to his descendants could probably happen to most Af-Ams if their offspring c00ned hard enough.

"And once again, you keep ignoring that the MAJORITY of Blacks were killed off." - We don't know that to be certain. Buenos Aires was 1/3rd Black at one point. They majority were not "killed off".

"You ignore 90% of the Blacks who were killed in war and disease to focus on the small REMAINDER who were bred" - Again, we don't know. That's part of the convenient lie of the Argentine gov't.

"Like I said, if you could breed out Blacks that easily WITHOUT JUST MASSACRING them, then Brazil wouldn't be so Black." - Most Afro-descendants in Brazil don't classify themselves as Black.

Brazil 2010 census shows changing race balance - BBC News

"Out of around 191m Brazilians, 91 million identified themselves as white, 82m as mixed race and 15m as black"

We don't know that Muhammad Ali was Whiter than the average Black? Really?

Have you seen the man?

Dude looks like Trevor Noah, who's dad is a Dutch and mother is South African

Again, it doesn't matter what Black Brazilians consider themselves. They're the majority in a country with 150 million people.

Brazil census shows African-Brazilians in the majority for the first time

I could consider myself a Martian, that doesn't make it so. If anything, the fact that obviously Black people consider themselves non-Black just proves my point.

If in a society where people will do anything to not admit that they're not Black and where racial mixing was thoroughly encouraged to dilute the Black population, there's still a majority Black population, then it must be mighty hard to just breed out a Black population.

Thanks for making my point for me

And you're still unwilling to tell me why the Dominican Republic, Cuba, & Brazil are so Black if you could just easily breed out Blackness without just killing a bunch of people.

Hell, those countries all killed a ton of Blacks too and STILL couldn't get rid of em

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

We don't know that Muhammad Ali was Whiter than the average Black? Really?

Have you seen the man?

Dude looks like Trevor Noah, who's dad is a Dutch and mother is South African

Again, it doesn't matter what Black Brazilians consider themselves. They're the majority in a country with 150 million people.

Brazil census shows African-Brazilians in the majority for the first time

I could consider myself a Martian, that doesn't make it so. If anything, the fact that obviously Black people consider themselves non-Black just proves my point.

If in a society where people will do anything to not admit that they're not Black and where racial mixing was thoroughly encouraged to dilute the Black population, there's still a majority Black population, then it must be mighty hard to just breed out a Black population.

Thanks for making my point for me

And you're still unwilling to tell me why the Dominican Republic, Cuba, & Brazil are so Black if you could just easily breed out Blackness without just killing a bunch of people.

Hell, those countries all killed a ton of Blacks too and STILL couldn't get rid of em

A few things:
- You deliberately retrieved a touched up photo of Muhammad Ali. Fascinating. Here's a normal resolution photograph

- Now you're denying census figures. The vast majority of Brazilians do not consider themselves Black. Only 15 million do. Census figures are self-reported in case you didn't know. As to whether they are Black, Blackness is ideational so therefore they are not. It does matter what they consider themselves. That's why so many Dominicans are not 'Black'.
- Cuba is majority Black because millions of Whites fled after 1959. The DR is not majority Black. So is Brazil.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Finally, you've refused to address race-mixing as the true cause of Afro-Argentine disappearance. Fascinating.

What's your agenda?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

A few things:
- You deliberately retrieved a touched up photo of Muhammad Ali. Fascinating. Here's a normal resolution photograph

- Now you're denying census figures. The vast majority of Brazilians do not consider themselves Black. Only 15 million do. Census figures are self-reported in case you didn't know. As to whether they are Black, Blackness is ideational so therefore they are not. It does matter what they consider themselves. That's why so many Dominicans are not 'Black'.
- Cuba is majority Black because millions of Whites fled after 1959. The DR is not majority Black. So is Brazil.

He's still a lighter skinned Black dude, who's European heritiage is WIDELY known and disseminated

Dude, even visited his family's Irish homeland

The Greatest Black Irish: Mohammed Ali Traces his Roots to Ireland – by Oguejiofo Annu | Rasta Livewire

Finally, you've refused to address race-mixing as the true cause of Afro-Argentine disappearance. Fascinating.

What's your agenda?

nikka, my agenda is calling out bullshyt. And all I've been doing is addressing your unscientific assertion that somehow nikkaz are responsible for their own demise in Argentina by fukking PAWGS. That's just factually incorrect.

They were massacred in wars, poisoned, and diseased, and when the population was so weak and vulnerable, they were absorbed into the population with breeding, but it took a hell of a lot of other shyt to get rid of brothers in Argentina

It doesn't matter what people call themselves because DNA isn't dependent on what I call myself. Genetics are genetics and can't be fukked with. Brazil is 51% Black, 400 years after they enslaved, massacred, and tried to breed nikkaz out.
Simple as that.

Black is dominant and you can't get rid of us by just a few nikkaz mixing.

You have to make a concerted effort to commit genocide against Black people because we are dominant in every way genetically.

Racist White people know this, why the fukk don't you?

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

He's still a lighter skinned Black dude, who's European heritiage is WIDELY known and disseminated

Dude, even visited his family's Irish homeland

The Greatest Black Irish: Mohammed Ali Traces his Roots to Ireland – by Oguejiofo Annu | Rasta Livewire



nikka, my agenda is calling out bullshyt. And all I've been doing is addressing your unscientific assertion that somehow nikkaz are responsible for their own demise in Argentina by fukking PAWGS. That's just factually incorrect.

They were massacred in wars, poisoned, and diseased, and when the population was so weak and vulnerable, they were absorbed into the population with breeding, but it took a hell of a lot of other shyt to get rid of brothers in Argentina

It doesn't matter what people call themselves because DNA isn't dependent on what I call myself. Genetics are genetics and can't be fukked with. Brazil is 51% Black, 400 years after they enslaved, massacred, and tried to breed nikkaz out.
Simple as that.

Black is dominant and you can't get rid of us by just a few nikkaz mixing.

You have to make a concerted effort to commit genocide against Black people because we are dominant in every way genetically.

Racist White people know this, why the fukk don't you?

- Then why did you post a lighter resolution photo of Muhammad Ali to try and make your point? Seems like you were stretching there...
- Why are you ignoring the historical documents I've produced which prove that miscegnation played a larger role in Afro-Argentine decline

- Why are you ignoring that the majority of Brazilians do not see themselves as Black...



Open your eyes, my friend

 

[ultraflexed]

The story goes that the argentinain government wanted to get rid of blacks. So they recruited the black men for wars and gave them incentives. Putting most on the front lines getting them killed. Then they encouraged black women to date out while at the same time giving land grabs to white europeans to move there.

In the end the 3 combinations helped place the black population almost at non existant levels that we see today.

Once again, I have to school a Coli Poster.

Your argument wasn't that breeding alone couldn't do wipe out Black Argentines but breeding period could wipe out Black Argentines.

If you ever did anything resembling reading comprehension, you'd know what exactly you were arguing instead of confusing yourself.

Given that your initial argument were that breeding didn't wipe out Black Argentines, I'm still correct and you, of course, are wrong.

Breeding did wipe out the remainder of the Black Argentines by the turn of the 20th century.

Also, race is a ideational concept. It does matter what people think they are. Otherwise, they are pardo and not Black.

And if "Black is dominant" explain this:

So many idiots. So little time.

For all you swirled out there, the breeding out will do the most Damage to the black population not whites

 

[ultraflexed]

A few things:
- You deliberately retrieved a touched up photo of Muhammad Ali. Fascinating. Here's a normal resolution photograph

- Now you're denying census figures. The vast majority of Brazilians do not consider themselves Black. Only 15 million do. Census figures are self-reported in case you didn't know. As to whether they are Black, Blackness is ideational so therefore they are not. It does matter what they consider themselves. That's why so many Dominicans are not 'Black'.
- Cuba is majority Black because millions of Whites fled after 1959. The DR is not majority Black. So is Brazil.

Both his parents are black, most African Americans are 10-30% white anyhow that is why he can look light without being biracial.

 

[morris]

Can you guys post pics of your neighborhood, the business district (downtown) and beaches/universities/shopping centers

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

- Then why did you post a lighter resolution photo of Muhammad Ali to try and make your point? Seems like you were stretching there...
- Why are you ignoring the historical documents I've produced which prove that miscegnation played a larger role in Afro-Argentine decline

- Why are you ignoring that the majority of Brazilians do not see themselves as Black...



Open your eyes, my friend

I didn't ignore any of it. It's idiotic.

What Black Brazilians consider themselves doesn't matter, because genetics is not a matter of opinion. Brazil is 51% Black, that is a fact.

You have posted anything that discounted the amount of Blacks that died in wars and were poisoned.

And I posted the articles about Muhammad Ali's very well known White heritage, which inherently discounts the idea that his daughter marrying one CAC is what made his grandson turn out that way. They were heavily mixed to begin with, especially his later wives, which were all super lightskinned (probably mixed) redbones.

 

[dennis roadman]

Nothing personal guys, but maybe visit a country first before declaring more than half of its people a given demographic

and for the one saying Brazil is 51% black, that's cool, it's technically true from a North American perspective. But remember that outside of North America it's completely irrelevant bullshyt

the irony of impressing a racial classification on a group who think wildly different than you do

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I didn't ignore any of it. It's idiotic.

What Black Brazilians consider themselves doesn't matter, because genetics is not a matter of opinion. Brazil is 51% Black, that is a fact.

You have posted anything that discounted the amount of Blacks that died in wars and were poisoned.

And I posted the articles about Muhammad Ali's very well known White heritage, which inherently discounts the idea that his daughter marrying one CAC is what made his grandson turn out that way. They were heavily mixed to begin with, especially his later wives, which were all super lightskinned (probably mixed) redbones.

I have. You are ignoring them. Check out post #317