Im beginning to think god doesnt exist

[Jerz-2]

This is actually pretty simple.

Belief in a sovereign, omnipotent, omnipresent God requires FAITH.....and without tangible evidence, most young folks (and some older ones) are not willing to step out on faith. It's a foreign concept to them.

It really boils down to what you CHOOSE to believe.

 

[NoMayo15]

So nobody created you?



I'm not in the mood for this but tf breh

His parents fukked, just like yours. What's hard about that to understand?

 

[DIMES]

His parents fukked, just like yours. What's hard about that to understand?

Who created his parents?

 

[NoMayo15]

You misunderstand god as it relates to faith. Or faith in general.
If god is said to have created everything, than anything at all would be evidence of it.

Exactly my point. CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS.

"The Bible is true because it says it's the word of God. Since it's the word of God it must be true."
"The tree is evidence of God because God created the tree."
"I prayed for my headache to go away, and an hour later I didn't have a headache. God cured my headache."

Ideas like these need outside, objective evidence that supports it. Otherwise, you could make up anything as the cause of something.

So faith is the only thing a human possesses which can confirm or denounce its existence.
Its a precluded matter really.

Either you believe in a thing or you do not.
Evidence does not make a thing real or not.

I don't exactly know what you mean here. Evidence gives credence to an idea, or claim. Why do you think we have a justice system? Its our best attempt at trying to find the truth of whether a person is guilty of a crime. We don't just go to the jury, give them a name and ask if they have faith he's guilty and lock them up. No, there's a preponderance of evidence to decide whether guilt is most likely true. I suppose some degree of faith is required, but not alone.

Its like explaining to a vegan that there are plants that eat meat.
Their rote life becomes a lie if they acknowledge it... so they cannot accept it, evidence or not.

I don't know any vegans, but I have a hard time believing this is true... It's hard to believe most people choose to be willfully ignorant.

Maybe you know one vegan like this, but I doubt the majority do this.

People that believe there is no god want to believe that.
People that believe there is a god want instead to believe that.

I don't want to believe there is no god. There is just a serious lack of objective evidence for one....depending on your definition of God. If your god is nature or the universe or the sun...fine. I just don't know why anyone would use the word 'god' for that when it has so much other baggage.

 

[NoMayo15]

This is actually pretty simple.

Belief in a sovereign, omnipotent, omnipresent God requires FAITH.....and without tangible evidence, most young folks (and some older ones) are not willing to step out on faith. It's a foreign concept to them.

It really boils down to what you CHOOSE to believe.

I think it comes down to whether or not you care your beliefs are likely to be true or not.

Some people would rather have a comforting belief that may or may not be true. Some people would rather think their SO's are faithful, even though signs otherwise are slapping them in the face.

I just happen to rather know the truth. That's why faith isn't sufficient. How do we go about finding the truth for any other question? Do we just rely on faith?

Who created his parents?

C'mon, what's your point already? I'm not going to go through that man's entire genealogy.

 

[Ark]

but...but...jesus loves me

but..but..i talk to the sky 5 times a day

so you expect God to be a genie before you believe that he exist

 

[DIMES]

I think it comes down to whether or not you care your beliefs are likely to be true or not.

Some people would rather have a comforting belief that may or may not be true. Some people would rather think their SO's are faithful, even though signs otherwise are slapping them in the face.

I just happen to rather know the truth. That's why faith isn't sufficient. How do we go about finding the truth for any other question? Do we just rely on faith?




C'mon, what's your point already? I'm not going to go through that man's entire genealogy.

Arite.

Was mankind created from nothing? Or did man create itself?

 

[NoMayo15]

Arite.

Was mankind created from nothing? Or did man create itself?

No, there are several ideas of how life derived, but neither of these. The most accepted idea is essentially... during the early formation of the Earth, some abiogenisis event occurred where proteins were able to form (we don't know how exactly, yet). This lead to a long chain of life, spanning some 4 billion years, where organisms passed on genetic information to their descendants, with slight changes. And yes, this process eventually lead to the origin of mankind. I would suggest taking some higher level biology courses, reading up on abiogenesis and evolution if you would like to know more detail.

 

[notPsychosiz]

Exactly my point. CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS.

"The Bible is true because it says it's the word of God. Since it's the word of God it must be true."
"The tree is evidence of God because God created the tree."
"I prayed for my headache to go away, and an hour later I didn't have a headache. God cured my headache."

Ideas like these need outside, objective evidence that supports it. Otherwise, you could make up anything as the cause of something.



I don't exactly know what you mean here. Evidence gives credence to an idea, or claim. Why do you think we have a justice system? Its our best attempt at trying to find the truth of whether a person is guilty of a crime. We don't just go to the jury, give them a name and ask if they have faith he's guilty and lock them up. No, there's a preponderance of evidence to decide whether guilt is most likely true. I suppose some degree of faith is required, but not alone.



I don't know any vegans, but I have a hard time believing this is true... It's hard to believe most people choose to be willfully ignorant.

Maybe you know one vegan like this, but I doubt the majority do this.



I don't want to believe there is no god. There is just a serious lack of objective evidence for one....depending on your definition of God. If your god is nature or the universe or the sun...fine. I just don't know why anyone would use the word 'god' for that when it has so much other baggage.

Its commonplace for people to be willfully ignorant, even going so far as to pretend they are ignorant after provided examples... So yes, many vegans would rather dismiss certain information than to acknowledge and accept on any true level that even plants eat meat.

(Not to pick on vegans, thats just a simple easy to digest example.)

You must understand that to accept certain information requires lifestyle change. The alternative is to knowingly live a false existance. So they must convince themselves that the truth is not the truth, just deception. Or to ignore the truth and try not to think about it.

Also, I'm not talking about the bible. I'm talking about the concept of existance and how something is accepted or not. The bible has no scientific merit except as a historical fictional text. All acceptance requires belief, not evidence. Evidence, faith, misinformation, apathy... many things can make you believe or disbelieve something. Evidence itself is not a prerequisite.

 

[NoMayo15]

Its commonplace for people to be willfully ignorant, even going so far as to pretend they are ignorant after provided examples... So yes, many vegans would rather dismiss certain information than to acknowledge and accept on any true level that even plants eat meat.

Okay, well I guess I'll just have to take your word on this......

You must understand that to accept certain information requires lifestyle change. The alternative is to knowingly live a false existance. So they must convince themselves that the truth is not the truth, just deception. Or to ignore the truth and try not to think about it.

Also, I'm not talking about the bible. I'm talking about the concept of existance and how something is accepted or not. The bible has no scientific merit except as a historical fictional text. All acceptance requires belief, not evidence. Evidence, faith, misinformation, apathy... many things can make you believe or disbelieve something. Evidence itself is not a prerequisite.

Oh, well sure. People can believe things for bad reasons and good ones. I don't dispute that. I just wonder how someone can convince themselves presupposing a god exists, defining it as the creator of all things, and using a tree's existence (or anything/everything for that matter) as evidence of said god is anywhere close to a good reason.

 

[iBrowse]

@Napoleon

 

[DIMES]

No, there are several ideas of how life derived, but neither of these. The most accepted idea is essentially... during the early formation of the Earth, some abiogenisis event occurred where proteins were able to form (we don't know how exactly, yet). This lead to a long chain of life, spanning some 4 billion years, where organisms passed on genetic information to their descendants, with slight changes. And yes, this process eventually lead to the origin of mankind. I would suggest taking some higher level biology courses, reading up on abiogenesis and evolution if you would like to know more detail.

Evolution is nothing but a fantasy with zero evidence and theory that has never been observed.

Believe proteins that came from nothing and created the universe with extreme perfect harmony brehs

Where did a "protein" material come from ? Did it create itself from absolute nothingness? Did it produce another like itself?

Did it design you? Your consciousness?

 

[NoMayo15]

Evolution is nothing but a fantasy with zero evidence and theory that has never been observed.

Believe proteins that came from nothing and created the universe with extreme perfect harmony brehs

Where did a "protein" material come from ? Did it create itself from absolute nothingness? Did it produce another like itself?

Did it design you? Your consciousness?

Fantasy, huh?

**Checks Rep**

Wait, are you a poe?

 

[notPsychosiz]

Evolution is nothing but a fantasy with zero evidence and theory that has never been observed.

Believe proteins that came from nothing and created the universe with extreme perfect harmony brehs

Where did a "protein" material come from ? Did it create itself from absolute nothingness? Did it produce another like itself?

Did it design you? Your consciousness?

Life on earth is not greatly disputed. It arrived via asteroid impact whereas the ice which compose most asteroids would have melted becoming water.
That water contained lifeforms. Microanimals. Yes thats different than bacteria, they are actual animals. We know because we have the tech to observe them now.


Things like Tardegrades can withstand the temperatures and depths of space and awaken from hybernation once thawed.
Tardigrade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The real problem with the 'there is no proof of this or that' crowd is they are incredibly naiive of what developments are actually made and what we know and don't know within the wealth of compounded human knowledge.

This information has been known in the scientific community for hundreds of years.
These are not even new developments.

But really, to breach the epicenter of things and explain what created the big bang itself you would have to have a grasp of string theory.
Because at the core of it all the most likely scenero points to... WE created the big bang. Man.

Or at least... we will eventually. We are working on it right now via the supercolider.
Large Hadron Collider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We need only to succeede once in creating a universe in order for the principals of string theory to apply in which case we will have ensured our own creation, because somewhere another set of beings will continue pursuit of the project until they succeede in creating us.


Alot is going on in the world asside from Worldstar and the Kardashians.
Look up stuff from time to time.

 

[twhatever]

The visual cortex, impossible colors, extraocular motility...
Science has a vast understanding of sensory that extends beyond what humans are capable of sensing via the human body.

There are things that are detectable, simply not by human sensory units such as eyes, ears, etc that we know exist.

So to limit what 'exists' to what you can detect is folly.

I didn't limit it to what's detectable by human senses.No equation could ever predict gods existence either.