“I’m more closely related to Europeans, than Africans”- The Honorable Tariq Nasheed

[bnew]

i’m clearly saying that the only people on the planet that was considered Black was us Black Americans

besides the small handful of so-called Pan Africanist … literally no one identify themselves as being Black. they went by their nationality

The only reason the term Black is universally used nowadays amongst the whole diaspora … is because us Americans made it poppin

Jean-Jacques Dessalines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the Haitian Constitution of 1805, Dessalines declared Haiti to be an all-black nation and forbade white colonists from owning property or land there.[8] Property that belonged to white colonists was declared to be "by incontestable right confiscated to the benefit of the state."[30]

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Why he keep talking about hairlines. If that's the indicator, then i guess he's from Kenya?

 

[Bondye Vodou]

A european foundational black american

Foundational Afro Saxons. Yes, indeed Family.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Foundational Afro Saxons. Yes, indeed Family.

While you playing

 

[kingofnyc]

1931 Dr Harold Moody establishes the League of Coloured Peoples

After that date
We personally referred to ourselves as black.

Any mention of nationality?

so let me get this straight …. you are Caribbean descent, born, and raised in the UK ?

 

[kingofnyc]

I repeat, 1783

i’m sorry I don’t know what this supposed to prove …


You giving clips of the term black being used in the 16th and 1700s from places like Germany, the Netherlands, Amsterdam, etc. etc. where these so-called Black peoples makeup .00001% … any type of survey, study, data, etc. etc. that’s done. You need to have a significantly amount of whatever is being evaluated for it to have any merit

 

[kingofnyc]

You obviously aren't serious because you just ignored what you quoted. It's as if you purposely ignored what you quoted like a typical troll to say something that contradicts what you quoted. I damn sure didn't post anything making references to cacs calling Jamaicans Black. Plus you are obviously clueless about Rastas associating Black with African, hence why that Peter Tosh song posted destroyed your claim. That's why you sadly attempted to deduce Peter Tosh to being a "pan African" because acknowledging him as Rasta completely destroys your original claim.

You’re talking in circles
There’s a difference between being labeled or called something … to … actually labeling or calling yourself that

There is no difference between Rastafarians and Pan Africanism - when it comes to the diaspora


and for the record you supposedly are Gen X like me from NYC like me, etc. etc. so are you going to say with a straight face that back in the days all these melanated people who came to the city identify themselves as black and not their nationality or ethnicity
come on man stop this bullshyt

 

[kingofnyc]

Jean-Jacques Dessalines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the Haitian Constitution of 1805, Dessalines declared Haiti to be an all-black nation and forbade white colonists from owning property or land there.[8] Property that belonged to white colonists was declared to be "by incontestable right confiscated to the benefit of the state."[30]

did they call themselves Black ?
or
did they call themselves Haitians ?

 

[bnew]

did they call themselves Black ?

or

did they call themselves Haitians ?

Meet Haiti’s founding father, whose black revolution was too radical for Thomas Jefferson

A renamed Brooklyn street celebrates Jean-Jacques Dessalines, a Haitian slave turned president. For centuries his legacy was tarnished by allegations that Haiti’s revolution led to ‘white genocide.’

theconversation.com

snippet:

This radical vision of black empowerment is evident in Haiti’s 1804 Declaration of Independence, signed by Dessalines. In 2010 I located the only known extant copy of this stunning founding document, at the National Archives of the United Kingdom.

The 1805 Constitution that followed reaffirmed the abolition of slavery in Haiti, making it the first free black state in the Western Hemisphere.

It also eliminated official racial distinctions. According to Haiti’s Constitution, all Haitians, regardless of skin color, would be considered black in the eyes of the law. In Dessalines’ philosophy, race was an ideological concept. By securing Haitian citizenship, a person became black.

Under Dessalines’ rule, blackness was to be the source of freedom and equality – not bondage.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

These delusional anti-Pan African nikkas are funny.
Pay attention to their delusion & goal post moving

Their claim: the Afro-Diaspora didn’t identify themselves as Black.

The question is not whether or not people from the so-called Diaspora were called or labeled Black by cacs

The issue that I am emphasizing is whether or not those so-called people from the same Diaspora identified themselves as Black from back inna days
which we all know the answer too

Claim debunked: Proof of enslaved Afro-Surinamese ppl identifying themselves as Black in Sranan/Surinamese Creole, documented by a person with a German lastname in 1783.

I repeat, 1783

Their Response: I don’t know what this is supposed to prove from places like Germany and The Netherlands.

Not correctly: You debunked my claim providing proof of a person with a German last name, documenting it in 1783 in Suriname.

Naah, that would require maturity, reading comprehension and knowing that Sranan was the Creole language of enslaved Africans in Suriname.

Sranan Tongo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

i’m sorry I don’t know what this supposed to prove …

You giving clips of the term black being used in the 16th and 1700s from places like Germany, the Netherlands, Amsterdam, etc. etc. where these so-called Black peoples makeup .00001% … any type of survey, study, data, etc. etc. that’s done. You need to have a significantly amount of whatever is being evaluated for it to have any merit

Their second claim: no-one thinks of any other group than “ADOS” when they think of 'Black people'.

American Freedman/ADOS/FBA did more for POC (Asians, Africans, Latinos) globally. I wasn't talking about helping them free themselves (though we did have a hand in that as well).

Like I said, no-one thinks of any other group than ADOS when they think of 'Black people'.

Claim debunked: The Netherlands identifying Afro-Atlantic people as Black in 1625.
This group including Africans, Caribbean ppl and Brazilians.
Them: **crickets, ignoring the L they just got handed**

I repeat, 1625

LOST NIKKAS can’t handle being defeated by their own terms.
Can’t even read properly, so any evidence you provide gets misinterpreted. Can’t accept being proven wrong.
It was and is never about the Truth with them
The living embodiments of Cognitive Dissonance.

 

[Blackgate]

Tariq went from “delineating” to claiming to be european?

 

[Plankton]

You’re talking in circles
There’s a difference between being labeled or called something … to … actually labeling or calling yourself that

There is no difference between Rastafarians and Pan Africanism - when it comes to the diaspora


and for the record you supposedly are Gen X like me from NYC like me, etc. etc. so are you going to say with a straight face that back in the days all these melanated people who came to the city identify themselves as black and not their nationality or ethnicity
come on man stop this bullshyt

And this statement further confirms you are a troll.

The irony in you saying Rastas and pan Africans are the same yet totally ignoring that according to Rastafarians,'African' and 'Black' are also the same confirms you are a troll. Rasta's acknowledged that if you were a melanated Jamacain you were African/Black. A melanated Black American was African/Black. A melanated African was African/Black. I literally gave you sources of that fact and you ignored it to say bullshyt. The Peter Tosh song posted that you ignored confirmed that fact. You're playing dumb now and trying to switch it up all after the fact but this was your original statement:

back in da 80’s Africans and most Caribbean’s felt it was blasphemy to be called Black … all this new shyt is revisionist history

ADOS/FBA are really the only Black people

And that's why the Peter Tosh song posted destroyed this statement to the point you had to call Peter Tosh a "pan Africanist" instead of a Rastafarian because how can a Rasta think it's blasphemy to be called Black when they acknowledge all melanated people on Earth as African/Black? That's where you fukked up and got checkmated.


I'm done with this back and forth. You alerted me in this thread when I was minding my business. You have been debunked over and over again. I'm done but you can have the final word.