"I'm not a guess in hip hop, it's my culture " - China Mac

[JQ Legend]

puerto ricans get credit as the first "outsiders" in the culture BUT they were not there from the start. This is a myth that has been repeated by peope who think HipHop started in the 80's





actually, there are many OG HipHop heads who HAVE said otherwise, Puerto Rican OG's, included

Latinos weren't some of the most popular breakdancers and graffiti artists?

2 core elements of hip hop that predate modern day MCing?

There is no way something is starting in the streets of the BX without Latinos having a heavy influence on it

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Latinos weren't some of the most popular breakdancers

they came to bboying closer to the late 70's. The black bboys were around since like 71

and graffiti artists?

early graffiti WAS NOT tied/connected to HipHop directly. It was it's own separate thing. It got connected to HipHop later because many of the founders of the musical side of HipHop were, graffiti artists FIRST

2 core elements of hip hop that predate modern day MCing?

HipHop MC'ing predates full blown bboying (uprocking + downrocking)

There is no way something is starting in the streets of the BX without Latinos having a heavy influence on it

the "black" world and the "rican" world were mainly separate even though they lived next to each other

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

Tell these nikkas about your past.

You tell them you chatty bytch since you seem to know so much. And if you lie on me, I’m fukkin your shyt up faggit.

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

You tell them you chatty bytch since you seem to know so much. And if you lie on me, I’m fukkin your shyt up faggit.

You used to brag about fukking malik yoba

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

You used to brag about fukking malik yoba

No I didn’t . Are you retarded or something. Who the fuk do you have me confused with??? Post up a quote where I said that. If anything, Malik Yoba would be attracted to you - a man with feminine tendencies who likes riding dikk.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Latinos weren't some of the most popular breakdancers

earliest bboys was like 71 ever before Herc which he acknowledges but they were dancing the the whole record before breakbeat specific, djing caught on

next were between 71 and 73 between Herc's and Dj Smokey's crowd since they had many of the same dancers (nikka twins, OG Clark kent)





disco king mario's chuck chuck city crew bboys







then 74-75 you had the Zulu Kings

The Mighty Zulu Kingz was established in 1973. They were to be the official bboy crew for the Zulu Nation. This concept came about due to the fact that the five brothers, who helped Afrika Bambaataa organize The Zulu Nation, WERE ALL BBOYS! They were known as the Zulu Kings. The “FOUNDING 5″ of Zulu Kings helped Afrika Bambaataa start a small movement in his tenement housing projects called “The Bronx River Organization”, which in time was changed to “The Organization”, and eventually renamed to “Zulu Nation”, which is the name the organization still uses today. The “FOUNDING 5″ members of Zulu Kings are: AMAD HENDERSON, AZIZ JACKSON, SHAKA REED, KUSA STOKES, and ZAMBU LANER. Amad Henderson still helps lead the Zulu Nation global organization, now refer to as “Universal Zulu Nation”. He is still a huge influence on MZK, and how the group operates today. Also, he is 1 of 2 consultants to Alien Ness, who is the current President of MZK.

As time went on, Zulu Kings became bigger with a household name for the BBoy dance style that was known by many terms; “Boi-yoing”, “Breaking”, “Go Off”, “BBoying”, or “Breakdancing” (media term). Eleven members of Zulu Kings made this possible; they were known as the “FIRST 11″. In 1975, they help create the B-Boy boom in the Bronx. The streets were buzzing about the new dance form that the Zulu Kings were doing. They were a force to be reckoned with in an era of social parties known in the streets as “Jams”. The “FIRST 11″ Zulu Kings are: BEAVER, ROBBIE ROB, CHOLLY ROCK, SWANE, POW WOW, MARCUS, JAZZY JAY, SUNDANCE, LITTLE KEITH, AFRIKA ISLAM, and G.L.O.B.E. Out of the “FIRST 11″, Beaver was the most well-known member, and became the first BBoy to get the Ghetto Celebrity status. Many of the original moves that create the blueprint for the BBoy dance style started with these 11 members, including SPORADIC FOOTWORK STYLE, HEAD SPINS, BACK SPINS, CHAIR FREEZE, BABY FREEZE, BASIC TOP ROCK STYLES, and the ever so popular and most imitated, AROUND THE WORLD SPINS & ZULU SPINS.

As the years went by, all the original Zulu Kings started to fade. Afrika Islam started to DJ, as well as Jazzy Jay. Pow Wow, G.L.O.B.E., and Biggs became The Soul Sonic Force. Sundance and Trouble maintained Chapter 2 of the Zulu Nation, and of course BBoy was getting “PLAYED OUT” by 1979.

In 1981, Zulu Kings have a new life in the form of “Rock Steady Crew” (the third generation of Zulu Kings, or “Generation 3″ as MZK refers to them). This came about in the winter of 1981, when leading members of the infamous “Rock Steady Crew” asked Afrika Bambaataa if they could be members of Zulu Kings. Afrika Bambaataa granted them their wish, and sweetened the pot by allowing all members of Rock Steady Crew to represent Zulu Kings. Many older pictures of Rock Steady Crew show them wearing sweat suits with the words “ROCK STEADY ZULU KINGS”. RSC were part of the first Hip Hop Tour with Afrika Bambaataa, and were given the honor of carrying the tradition of Zulu Kings as a bboy squad, but this time “Boogie Boys” were included. This generation was short lived, and by the mid 1990’s only 4 people were honorably representing Zulu Kings. Those dancers were Frosty Freeze (R.I.P.), Pop Master Fabel, Mr. Wiggles, and the newly added member Alien Ness, who eventually went on to be the President of MZK. Pop Master Fabel is the second consultant to Alien Ness, and is referred to as “GodFather” to the 4th generation of MZK.

early 80's as the point when more latinos came in has been confirmed by Cholly Rock



and Beaver



2010 video from mr wiggles on him





2011 board post asking about Beaver

I'd really like to know what has happened to the legendary B-Boy Beaver from the Mighty Zulu Kings! In the movie "The Freshest Kids" Mr.Wiggles states :" You couldn't find any bigger name in B-Boying than Beaver, period!!! " From what I understand he was the first true King of B-Boying in the Mid 1970ies, even before Spy ( The Crazy Commanders )got in the game. Like 2 months ago I contacted a legendary bboy via MySpace and asked him a couple of questions on B-Boy History. I was so happy and surprised when he gave me his phone number and allowed me to have 3 extremely informative conversations with him.( Much blessings ) He told me about the special rank that the Mighty Zulu Kings hold in Hiphop History and also confirmed that Beaver was the first king of this dance. So now I am wondering what has happened to him. Is he still alive? Does anybody in this forum know what he is doing nowadays and wether there is a chance to contact him? Yo Ness, you know I got nothing but the deepest respect for you and your exalted crew...do you have any information on what Beaver is doing nowadays???? To me it's sad somehow that all these great B-Boys from the 70ies are being generally overlooked and each and everybody focuses only on RSC. Don't get me wrong I got mad love for RSC but I feel that people like Beaver, Robbie Rob,Vinnie, Bos, Trac 2, Batch, Abbey,Shorty, Spy, Lil Carlos etc. should definetely get more recognition from the worldwide Hiphop Community. Like KRS-One said in his book "Ruminations" it is definetely time that somebody steps up and preserves the true History of all the Hiphop Elements because otherwise there will soon be a day when the mass media and the entertainment industry tells us what our true history is and to which rules we should stick to. I'm sure that the above mentioned pioneers could still enlighten us all with their enormous wisdom and insight on the dance called B-Boying because back in their era the B-Boys actually lived this shyt to the fullest, back before it was all about artificial tournaments and acting like deaf retards with helmets on. So, pleaaaaaaaaaasee let us know what's up with Beaver!!!

WHERE IS BEAVER .. ORIGINAL BBOY FROM THE 1970'S

2017 video below





^^cholly rock, closer to 2nd generation talks about him above

actual Beaver interview from 2018 where he flat out says Ricans started coming more into Bboying by the early 80's right when he retired.

Beaver (The Little Zulu Kings)

NORIN RAD:"Oh, okay! But I have heard that you and a guy called Peanut once looked for a Puerto Rican B-Boy called Vinnie from the Sal Soul Crew at a swimming pool on Crotona Avenue back in 1975 and that you were defeated by him."

BEAVER:"That's been made up! I have never been defeated and I don't know who Vinnie is or who Peanut is and I have never danced against anybody by those names and again... most of those guys came in after...way after I stopped B-Boying in 1980. What I see in that is a lot of people want street credit. They feel if they mention my name and say they defeated me or taught me or what have you..they think that people will respect them and give them that credit that they think they deserve."

Castles In The Sky


The guy below and his brother came right before Rock Steady Crew, more towards the late 70's. They were the 1st PR bboy crew.

SIR NORIN RAD:"Willie Will (legendary Puerto Rican B-Boy from Rockwell Association) told me about how we was introduced to that original Black B-Boy Style of dancing which you referred to as The Go Off in 1976 by a B-Boy called Chopper that was down with the Zulu Nation. What was the relationship between TBB and the Zulu Nation? Was there any kind of contact at all?"

ABY:"Again, I was younger. I was too young to even understand the difference between Black and Puerto Rican. But to my brothers...to the older guys there was a barrier....there was a line between Blacks and Latinos. I mean look at the gangs back then...the Black Spades were all black and then you had the Ghetto Brothers which were all Latinos....so there was a division at first. I remember the Zulu Kings only from late 1976/77 that's when we really got involved. That's also when Batch had his meeting with the Zulu Nation..1977. TBB and members of the Zulu Nation they used to have rumbles.....they would fight against each other. Whatever jam they went to they would rumble. If there was a jam and TBB was chilling there and all of a sudden some one threw hands Batch would summon TBB Joe's division who was known as the warlord division meaning thay handled all the rumbles or one on one fight make sure no one jumped in !! . One of the first black DJs that I ever met was Lay Lay. He was from Fun PM City Crew and they was all black but they was kool cause they were from the block.We never had problems in 129 Mapes Pool. Lay Lay would get cutting and we would start dancing !! Back then we danced more with the girls than against each other .. But when we heard "It's Just Begun" or Babe Ruth "Mexican" or "Bongo Rock"... forget about it! Floor rockers hit the flooooorrrrrrr,!!! Cypher set and battles was for respect not money .. You had to be there to truly understand and smell the air and feel the excitement when the cat you was battling burned you the last time and you been practicing all week long for the moment you let it all out on the concrete ... Damn miss em days ."


DJ Lay Lay & The Fun City Crew rocking with The L-Brothers and The Mercedes Ladies in 1979


SIR NORIN RAD:"So you're saying there was a lot of tension between TBB and members the Zulu Nation?"

ABY:"There was! There was a lot of tension out there."

SIR NORIN RAD:"And all that beef was squashed at that meeting?"

ABY:"Batch had his meeting with Bam at the Webster projects on Zulu Nation turf in 1977. After that meeting they squashed it. I don't know how come Bam never spoke of this because it's such an important part of the history. It identifies with unity between Latinos and Blacks. So I don't know why he never acknowledged it."

Castles In The Sky

so, Rock steady crew is the one group that really put Ricans into the mix (1980s) but before that, you had the TBB Crew in the late 70's that first tried to get Ricans into the mix through Bambaatta.

 

[Detroit Wave]

Outsiders in new York stay outta pocket. What kinda passes y'all be giving up there?

He got the :nylost: Seal Of Approval

 

[kingofnyc]

China Mac busted his burner like it was the 90's..

That's why nobody speaking on him in person

nobody is speaking on him - cause these currents new york nikkaz ain’t da same old new york nikkaz

 

[kingofnyc]

this should be a bannable offense at this point. @IllmaticDelta done came through and dismantled this shyt brick by brick with irrefutable data.

you nikkaz keep confusing Disco to hip hop

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

The concept of culture appropriation is valid but social media is so extra that most of the complaints I see are just silly now

 

[Originalman]

OP are you china macaroni or Vlad? Cause you stay posting about both.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

A Ukrainian and a Chinese man talking about who has a place in hip hop

/thread

 

[gogogubari]

if nobody checks you in real life...
and you don't stay behind bodyguards....
then you obviously have some type of pass...

the real world doesn't lie.... homie trots through NY and doesn't hide...
who has confronted him about his words?



sounds like he has a pass to me

NY ain’t the world. Everybody ain’t inclusive. Everybody doesn’t live in a melting pot. He is a guest, whether he FEELS like it or not. Tbh, all he can do is be respectful and do his lil rap songs.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Outsiders in new York stay outta pocket. What kinda passes y'all be giving up there?

I've been to different cities where black people let non black people say nikka all the time.

From Boston down to VA.

 

[Knowledge]

I've been to different cities where black people let non black people say nikka all the time.

From Boston down to VA.

How many get a platform to speak on black art and culture?