"I'm not a guess in hip hop, it's my culture " - China Mac

[screenname01]

the 1st part i agree with you
hip hop ~to~ person analogy.... moves on from their parents/guardian and have the right to make their own decisions (in this case it shouldn't be called hip hop no more - it should be called or labeled to whatever said group/generation/region wants)

the 2nd part, is where your incredibly misinformed
Herc - born in Jamaica came to da Bx at the young age of 12
Flash - born in Barbados came to da Bx at the young age of 2
Bam - born in da Bx from Jamaican father/Bajan mother
these 3 have Caribbean roots BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY’RE Bronx nikkaz
and the misfromation from you, asking why they didn't rap in patois
SMFH
when these nikkaz wasn't rappers .... these nikkaz were DJ’s

kids(sons or should i say b-boys?) keep their parents last name, dont they? and Dj/rapper is interchangeable bcuz they still weren't playing jamaican or bajan hip hop music which is the overall arc of all the data you been hit with. Those guys just happened to be jamaicans but they were still fully assimilated and amalgamated into an already flourishing black American hip hop culture that was going on in the bronx. They didnt terraform or cultivate no jamaican patois or slang or lingo or cultivate no kinda barbados/bajan hip hop artists into black american hip hop ecosystem. They did contribute and participate though, but they were not no kinda black american hip hop inventors or founders or none of that revisionist history you trying to kick. Magazines have to retract statements all the time. This is one of those times.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

SMFH
when these nikkaz wasn't rappers .... these nikkaz were DJ’s

95 percent of those who came of age as fans of rap in the early 90s-until now, have no clue
that Hip Hop in its purest form, is a deejay-based, live party culture.

 

[kingofnyc]

kids(sons or should i say b-boys?) keep their parents last name, dont they? and Dj/rapper is interchangeable bcuz they still weren't playing jamaican or bajan hip hop music which is the overall arc of all the data you been hit with. Those guys just happened to be jamaicans but they were still fully assimilated and amalgamated into an already flourishing black American hip hop culture that was going on in the bronx. They didnt terraform or cultivate no jamaican patois or slang or lingo or cultivate no kinda barbados/bajan hip hop artists into black american hip hop ecosystem. They did contribute and participate though, but they were not no kinda black american hip hop inventors or founders or none of that revisionist history you trying to kick. Magazines have to retract statements all the time. This is one of those times.

now your moving the goal post
DJing & rapping are interchangeable ??? i guess u really don't understand hip hop

and why do you continuously bring up they wasnt playing Caribbean music

i told u ——— they are
Bronx nikkaz with Caribbean roots
NOT
Caribbean nikkaz with Bronx roots

 

[screenname01]

now your moving the goal post
DJing & rapping are interchangeable ??? i guess u really don't understand hip hop

and why do you continuously bring up they wasnt playing Caribbean music

i told u ——— they are
Bronx nikkaz with Caribbean roots
NOT
Caribbean nikkaz with Bronx roots

doesnt dj paul also rap? and aint nobody moving the goalpost. a nikka said jamaicans invented hip hop. so why dont you get down to the roots, as you say, and tell him that jamaicans did not invent hip hop

 

[IllmaticDelta]

95 percent of those who came of age as fans of rap in the early 90s-until now, have no clue
that Hip Hop in its purest form, is a deejay-based, live party culture.

It was the rapper that turned it to it's own distinct sub-culture. If not for the rapper, it would have continued to be tied to Disco/died pre-1977 before rappers fully took over.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

It was the rapper that turned it to it's own distinct sub-culture. If not for the rapper, it would have continued to be tied to Disco/died pre-1977 before rappers fully took over.

That was not what I witnessed.

The b-boy culture developed as a distinct expression away from the mirror-ball, "be-fancy-dressed-while-dancing with-your-girl" Hustle/Bus Stop scene.

We ran to park/block/community room parties in the late 70s because of what deejay was getting down,
with the emcee crews being secondary to them.

Even my own little crew and my oldest brother's as well, were centered on the deejay, while we
trying to come up with unique rhyme schemes.

The emcee later became the rapper when it became an industry after Rapper's Delight. When we heard it
played on 'KTU and 'BLS, we knew everything had changed forever.

 

[screenname01]

That was not what I witnessed.

The b-boy culture developed as a distinct expression away from the mirror-ball, "be-fancy-dressed-while-dancing with-your-girl" Hustle/Bus Stop scene.

We ran to park/block/community room parties in the late 70s because of what deejay was getting down,
with the emcee crews being secondary to them.

Even my own little crew and my oldest brother's as well, were centered on the deejay, while we
trying to come up with unique rhyme schemes.

The emcee later became the rapper when it became an industry after Rapper's Delight. When we heard it
played on 'KTU and 'BLS, we knew everything had changed forever.

this man @IllmaticDelta done gave you 40 years of testimony, articles, data and video proof from the guys who were there from day one

 

[BlaqkSpliffin]

This thread reeks of p*ssy

 

[K.O.N.Y]

the 1st part i agree with you
hip hop ~to~ person analogy.... moves on from their parents/guardian and have the right to make their own decisions (in this case it shouldn't be called hip hop no more - it should be called or labeled to whatever said group/generation/region wants)

the 2nd part, is where your incredibly misinformed
Herc - born in Jamaica came to da Bx at the young age of 12
Flash - born in Barbados came to da Bx at the young age of 2
Bam - born in da Bx from Jamaican father/Bajan mother
these 3 have Caribbean roots BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY’RE Bronx nikkaz
and the misfromation from you, asking why they didn't rap in patois
SMFH
when these nikkaz wasn't rappers .... these nikkaz were DJ’s

Breh im in my thirties born and raised in the bronx as well

The funny thing is that herc and bam both detail that hip hop came from funk and disco traditions

When i ask older heads about caribbean origins- All old heads from the bronx btw- they look confused

Im talking about cats that would defend Herc but not caribbean origin Because in real-time as it was happening in the seventies, none of that is true

Hip hop grew up in the same house jazz,blues and funk did which is afram/adosian musical culture period

 

[IllmaticDelta]

That was not what I witnessed.

The b-boy culture developed as a distinct expression away from the mirror-ball, "be-fancy-dressed-while-dancing with-your-girl" Hustle/Bus Stop scene.

you gotta remember, bboying actually was on its death bed by the the late 70's when rappers had already took the mantle from the dj's and then the bboys.This is why there are so many rican bboys (and the myth of ricans being the pioneers of breakdancing was born) in the 80's clips but all the rappers are black

grandmaster caz confirms this

We ran to park/block/community room parties in the late 70s because of what deejay was getting down,
with the emcee crews being secondary to them.

are we talking block parties in general or the hiphop jams?

Even my own little crew and my oldest brother's as well, were centered on the deejay, while we
trying to come up with unique rhyme schemes.

The emcee later became the rapper when it became an industry after Rapper's Delight. When we heard it
played on 'KTU and 'BLS, we knew everything had changed forever.

hiphop's main attraction became the MC years before Rapper Delight. It was the rise of the rappers that caused Sylvia Robinson and similar entrepreneurs who witnessed them and wanted to put it on record; Im talking , pre-rap IDUSTRY. Flash attested to the fact that the crowds that once came to to see him doing his thing on the tables all started going to see Dj Hollywood, who was the one that put rappers on the map. Basically, all that setting up the soundsystems and bboys, was dead in less than 8 years (more like 5).

jazzy jay said it was dead (soundsystems/battles/bboys) in 79 until rap records came along

 

[kingofnyc]

doesnt dj paul also rap? and aint nobody moving the goalpost. a nikka said jamaicans invented hip hop. so why dont you get down to the roots, as you say, and tell him that jamaicans did not invent hip hop

who said Jamaicans invented hip hop ?

 

[kingofnyc]

Breh im in my thirties born and raised in the bronx as well

The funny thing is that herc and bam both detail that hip hop came from funk and disco traditions

When i ask older heads about caribbean origins- All old heads from the bronx btw- they look confused

Im talking about cats that would defend Herc but not caribbean origin Because in real-time as it was happening in the seventies, none of that is true

Hip hop grew up in the same house jazz,blues and funk did which is afram/adosian musical culture period

why are yall confusing this.......

nobody said these nikkaz were playing Caribbean / West Indian music

how many times i gotta say it
they were Bronx nikkaz that happen to be of Caribbean descend

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

you gotta remember, bboying actually was on it's death bed by the the late 70's when rappers had already took the mantle from the dj's and then the bboys.This is why there are so many rican bboys (and the myth of ricans being the pioneers of breakdancing was born) in the 80's clips but all the rappers are black

jazzy jay said it was dead (soundsystems/battles/bboys) in 79 until rap records came along

Look I respect Jeff Chang and his interviews with Jazzy Jay and others from his book, but these are individual observations. Others, like Nelson George in Hip Hop America, have different takes.

I'm in Allerton as a kid during those years. There was no drop-off of bboying and deejaying there in 78/79, or for the entire tri-state area. And by 1979, Mr. Magic is on WHBI radio, so the whole movement is being expanded beyond the Throgs Neck and Whitestone bridges.

We then moved later on to Queens and also had family in Long Island. The bboy scenes was even more intense in Queens and Long Island than it was in the Bronx and Brooklyn, which is probably why other than Kurtis Blow and Flash and the Furious Five, the first real megastars and industry leaders of Hip Hop in the early to mid 80s are coming from Queens and Long Island.

Again, Jeff Chang's reporting is cool and all, but I like to rely on what me, my crew, my cousins and the overall NYC area youth bboy culture personally experienced during that incredible period.

 

[King Frost]

black music is easily infiltrated

didn't you see how fast nas x got bushed from country?

they don't play that shht

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Look I respect Jeff Chang and his interviews with Jazzy Jay and others from his book, but these are individual observations. Others, like Nelson George in Hip Hop America, have different takes.

I'm in Allerton as a kid during those years. There was no drop-off of bboying and deejaying there in 78/79, or for the entire tri-state area.

Cholly Rock who is a 1st generation zulu king said himself, that he an all the black bboy pioneers mostly had stopped by 79/before Sugar Hill dropped

And by 1979, Mr. Magic is on WHBI radio, so the whole movement is being expanded beyond the Throgs Neck and Whitestone bridges.

Im talking pre-rap industry

We then moved later on to Queens and also had family in Long Island. The bboy scenes was even more intense in Queens and Long Island than it was in the Bronx and Brooklyn, which is probably why other than Kurtis Blow and Flash and the Furious Five, the first real megastars and industry leaders of Hip Hop in the early to mid 80s are coming from Queens and Long Island.

none of those dudes that came from queens and long island wee bboys. They were rappers based on rap the idea of rappers/rap records based on what came out of Harlem and the Bronx. The REAL hiphop superstars were Harlemites (Dj Hollywood pre-rap industry and Kurtis BLow when the rap industry was born)

Again, Jeff Chang's reporting is cool and all, but I like to rely on what me, my crew, my cousins and the overall NYC area youth bboy culture personally experienced during that incredible period.

I got quotes from the actual people who birthed the culture