I'm not anti vax however...

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what’s funny about it? Don’t everyone go to the hospital when they sick and take prescription drugs if advised to? When my baby is sick I’m taking him to the dr right?

does negate the fact I hate big businesses and everything they stand for , down to the insurance being high, to the hospital charging outrageous prices for a aspirin.

fukk them and what they stand for, but the science is the science.


Fine take the vaccine and the products they create... It's the double talking I can't stand. You got brehs on the Coli saying #PfizerGang #ModernaGang literally doing unpaid promotions for Billion dollar industries and shooting down any one who doesn't agree with them or skeptical at the Vaccine products these Corporations create. Then on top of that spamming threads 24/7 on the Coli about said products

Then at the other side of their mouth post how much they hate Capitalism and Corporate power which is highly ironic :skip:

Not understanding that because of Corporatism (Corporate Socialism), they are able to have a monopoly on drug making and lobbying with their government connects, and no one bats and eye. You don't think there are other Smaller companies who want to have the funds or market share to create drugs to heal people? You don't think it's odd that only 4-5 companies in the world have a monopoly on creating pharmaceutical products?

Can't speak for other "Anti-Vaxxers", but for me my skepticism is on that type of monopoly. And "Pro-Vaxxers" never bat an eye when this is brought up. No worries, people would read this and say

".....Bu bu bu bu you still love Corporations!!!!!!!!!!! :damn:"
 

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I share your frustrations. Part of the problem is that science takes a long time to reach conclusions yet we are seeing conclusions made based on one data point. Case in point: the Provincetown study reported in MMWR which concluded that vaccinated people have the same high viral RNA loads as unvaccinated people. This is meaningless without measuring viral infectivity. It turns out that a subsequent study in Singapore revealed that while viral RNA loads in vaccinated people are initially high, they decline more rapidly than in nonimmune people. To me this means that vaccinated people are not likely to be shedding much infectious virus and are probably not transmitting. Yet the press concludes that vaccines don't work. The other issue I have is that the press is widely claiming that vaccine effectiveness is declining. Whenever you talk about vaccine effectiveness, you have to specify what you are talking about. All COVID? Asymptomatic? Mild? Moderate? Severe? Death? It is true that the ability of vaccines to block infection has waned, but that happens will all vaccines as you move 8 months past the shot. What the vaccines still do is prevent severe disease and death. The press ignores this and paints a picture of doom. They ignore the science and part of the problem is that they listen to people who should know better. For example, the Guardian ran a story yesterday quoting the head of Oxford vaccines saying herd immunity doesn't exist because vaccinated people will transmit delta variant. There is zero evidence for that statement and I think he is basing it on the high viral RNA loads observed in vaccinated patients which do not indicate that they are shedding infectious virus and transmitting it. I wish this pandemic were over, not only to save lives, but to get away from all the terrible science communication taking place.
 

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Businesses should have a right to do what they want in this regard though. If I run a waffle house, I don't want a bunch of unvaccinated people dining in or being around me and my employees. They have a higher chance of carrying and spreading this deadly virus than vaccinated people :yeshrug:


Sure, say businesses have right to do this.....Just think about how far this reasoning can extent to and how this reasoning can discriminate minorities.
 

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They're both insufferable groups.


Basically like the Spider Man meme

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What's her reason?

I know it ain't because of Tuskegee :ehh:

She is very traditional and biblical. She doesn’t trust it. She’s an Indigenous Latina, and they have their own “Tuskegees” that cacs and powers have inflicted upon them (Smallpox blankets, theft, poverty stricken reservations, rape etc.). Her dislike for most cacs is probably stronger than mine.
:yeshrug:

Combine that with Hebrew Israelite doctrine, and it’s a wrap. Plus, she works in the home and isn’t in public often, besides our occasional vacations. We’re an introverted household. She doesn’t see the need for the vaccine, even though she’s a clean freak and germaphobe. However, we do mask up at all times outside of the home. We realize that COVID is real and it isn’t a joke out here.
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Oh, and we have a close autistic family member.
 
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Businesses or whatever requiring people to get the vaccine make no sense seeing as how the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading covid :hubie:

would you want to have a business where a bunch of staff and customers drop dead? You want to get sued?

Most of those in hospital suffering and dying are the unvaxxed
 

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Businesses or whatever requiring people to get the vaccine make no sense seeing as how the vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading covid :hubie:
Being vaccinated reduces the spread of the virus in addition it indicates that you're a responsible person following pandemic guidelines and are therefore less likely to contract the virus, meaning you're less likely to be contagious and less likely to cause trouble when asked to wear a mask or keep the required distance. So, yes, I think requiring vaccination does make sense for a business.
 
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