I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[Positive Posting]

You wrote a bunch of nothing.

Obviously Krush Grove came out in 1985. We all watched it genius.

DJ Disco Wiz was Latin. 1970s DJ. Now what?

It don’t matter if 95% of hip hop was black. If 5% was Latin, then they were there dummy. Do you not understand what the word none means? If you say there were no Hispanics in hip hop or that they weren’t there since the beginning but we can clearly see tons of Hispanics then y’all don’t know what the fukk the word none means.

I’m not arguing with y’all dummies. You from Poughskeepie. You not from no fukking New York City saying Hispanics weren’t involved in hip hop and you probably 21 years old. I wrote multiple papers on hip hop. Did hours of research. Every reputable source gives credit to both ethnic groups. Y’all fake ass militants rewriting history.

Blocked for being dumb.

thank you for this post

what was your major that you graduated from bro

 

[Supa]

You wrote a bunch of nothing.

Obviously Krush Grove came out in 1985. We all watched it genius.

DJ Disco Wiz was Latin. 1970s DJ. Now what?

It don’t matter if 95% of hip hop was black. If 5% was Latin, then they were there dummy. Do you not understand what the word none means? If you say there were no Hispanics in hip hop or that they weren’t there since the beginning but we can clearly see tons of Hispanics then y’all don’t know what the fukk the word none means.

I’m not arguing with y’all dummies. You from Poughskeepie. You not from no fukking New York City saying Hispanics weren’t involved in hip hop and you probably 21 years old. I wrote multiple papers on hip hop. Did hours of research. Every reputable source gives credit to both ethnic groups. Y’all fake ass militants rewriting history.

Blocked for being dumb.

Here you go getting emotional to the point your reading comprehension fails you. I never said "not involved" I said did not create.

You wrote papers on my life but you know it better than me. Sedgwick is 10 minutes away from me. I passed it everyday I went to high schooI. I was all over the South Bronx, Harlem, and Dyckman walking through projects and blocks you only know through research.

I'll let Wiz tell it:

Wiz: Caz and I both got hassled by our respective communities. My street credibility was enough to keep any personal attacks from stopping me by either community from doing what I wanted to do. As matter of fact, in the beginning no one really knew I was Spanish. Everyone presumed that I was black until they got to see us perform live. Then they were shocked to see a light skin Latino rocking the turntables. But as far as the music was concerned I definitely found my distinctive signature by gravitating towards the break beats that came from ancestral African drums which is the foundation of all Spanish and black music.

I'll let Charlie Chase tell it:

And then they turn to me and see this Puerto Rican, all wide-eyed and shyt… “He ain’t fukkin Chase. What the fukk are you talkin’ about?” They would not accept it. I was getting heat not only from the blacks, but also from the Puerto Ricans.

I’m telling you, I’m the first Hispanic…no one else was doing it. I’m a Hispanic trying to get into the black music, and they’re like, “What the fukk are you doing?” I’m not lying to you. That’s the way it was. So, I’m getting heat from both sides. And I was not giving a fukk. “This is what I like to do, and I do it well. fukk you both. Stand in my way, see what happens.” I just did what I did, and that’s how I became the DJ, and then we formed the Cold Crush Brothers.

Cholly Rock, an early black b boy:

When Rock and his peers were retiring around the ripe old age of 18, it was the Bronx’s Puerto Rican community that sustained the dance’s vitality. “The Puerto Rican kids picked it up from us and provided the bridge from our early model to the breaking you see today,” says Rock

Literally two Hispanic pioneers saying hip hop at the onset was black but you want to ignore that. There's nothing to get over. Black people created hip hop, Hispanics joined in and made contributions mainly in breaking and graf. Bottom line is no black folks, no hip hop. How is it that we made rock, jazz, funk, soul, and blues without you but we couldn't make hip hop without you?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You wrote a bunch of nothing.

Obviously Krush Grove came out in 1985. We all watched it genius.

DJ Disco Wiz was Latin. 1970s DJ. Now what?

It don’t matter if 95% of hip hop was black. If 5% was Latin, then they were there dummy. Do you not understand what the word none means? If you say there were no Hispanics in hip hop or that they weren’t there since the beginning but we can clearly see tons of Hispanics then y’all don’t know what the fukk the word none means.

I’m not arguing with y’all dummies. You from Poughskeepie. You not from no fukking New York City saying Hispanics weren’t involved in hip hop and you probably 21 years old. I wrote multiple papers on hip hop. Did hours of research. Every reputable source gives credit to both ethnic groups. Y’all fake ass militants rewriting history.

Blocked for being dumb.

there are no pictures/videos of latins at hiphop jams in the early 1970s as djs, bboys or rappers the actual latinos that came in and pioneered hiphop for latins openly acknowledge they weren't there from the start/the cultures' origins: they came later

Spoiler

whipper whip (rican) started rapping in 1978.





Listen to his own words about how common/uncommon puerto ricans were in hiphop when he came in








tony tone on charlie chase

So this is it, you woke up one day and said you are going to call your group the Cold Crush? Was Chase there yet?



Yeah. I told him we are going to call our selves the Cold Crush Crew! Than after awhile we said lets call our selves the Cold Crush Brothers,

because we are always going to treat our selves like brothers. So we changed it to that.



Cold Crush Brothers, Yeah I love it. I ain’t going to front kid, y’all was my favorite group. From day one. Aright, how did you come to the conclusion that Charlie Chase would always be the lead D.J. of the shows? Being as you were older, experienced and around before him, as well as being a very good d.j. yourself?



There was NO Hispanic hip hop D.J. representing at the time. So I said I am going to fall back and let him be the lead d.j.. Like I told Caz the other day, I could have went to him, because I knew him well back than, before he was down with us. I could have said Caz lets do this. I could have went to any other d.j. and said lets do this. But it wasn’t any Puerto Rican d.j.s representing on that level, back then.

Caz had Whiz, and d.j. S.w.a.t., he had a couple of Puerto Rican dudes down with him. They was alright but they didn’t take it serious like Chase did at that time. I told Chase this is it, you the man, because the Puerto Rican’s were in the party, and they had no real representative. So I said if we do it like this, we might corner the Puerto Rican’s and Blacks. I figured we would fill our parties. So I said that’s not a bad price to pay, to sit back, and really let him be show cased, to the point where Puerto Rican’s can say yeah we got somebody up in there, lets go represent for him.

Toney Tone is the founder of the Cold Crush Brothers


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ruby dee (rican )

That’s right.



So I remember them giving me $87 in singles in the bathroom. I remember thinking I know they screwing me over by giving me a whole pack of ones so I don’t say anything, but that’s cool! (Ruby in a serious voice then says) Maybe I am wrong, maybe that did not go down like that. I just remember when we were in the bathroom when they paid me and I was like “look at these marenos, these black guys giving me all these ones to make it look like a big knot.” I thought about that. I am not going to deny it. I said “look at these mother f------! It’s cool (Ruby Dee is laughing now.) keep jerking me.” But I found out we were all getting paid equally later on. In the beginning, and I am just using a number, say if Kev and Rob got a hundred dollars for the show I would get eighty dollars!



Say word!



That was just for a couple of shows but after awhile I was like “hey when we were first doing parties it was all black crowds, but now you got all these Puerto Rican people coming to see me, they are not coming to see ya’ll or just ya’ll!” To shift gears for a minute, I remember saying “Va Ya!” And Kev said “Puerto Rico!” they said “Ho”! That’s how that was invented.

Do you remember any other Spanish emcees or D.J.s back then?



Charlie Chase, Disco Wiz….



Disco Wiz was Caz D.J. right?



Right, he was Puerto Rican. I really don’t remember any one else. Whip was probably out before me, but I got the credit of being the first Puerto Rican. When I got on stage you knew I was Puerto Rican! I talked Spanish on the mic.



Did you ever have Spanish rhymes?



Yeah we had one routine when we battled the Funky 4 at the Audubon Ballroom. We all had our own rhyme to say when it was your turn. When it was my turn I said in Spanish Ruby Dee the romantic and Kev said hold up and one by one Dot, Whip and Rob said hold up! Hold Up, Hold Up, Hold Up! Ruby Dee, Ruby Dee, Ruby Dee Ruby Dee this is not Puerto Rico this is America. Boom then I bust into Fantastic Romantic Five, and the whole crew would then come in.

Ruby Dee of The Jr


wiz, chase, whipper whip, ruby dee all came after the true "black" pioneers from 1971-74

Black people back in the day used to check Ricans for trying to get down with the culture (remember, the backdrop to this is that ricans and blacks were not associates like it's later painted when you see those Rock Steady Crew clips from the 1980s). The parents/older siblings of these Latinos also checked their kin, wondering why were they involved with "moreno" culture

 

[IllmaticDelta]

There’s a reason hip hop started in New York City and not traditionally black cities like Atlanta, Memphis or Detroit. NYC has 9 million people, is the largest media capital and you have people from all over the world living there. Blacks from Africa, the Caribbean, ADOS blacks and Blacks from Europe. Plus Latins/Hispanics. All those people coming together influenced the sound.

Fake militant nikkas are the worst. You go in any other thread on the Coli and it’s ADOS this, ADOS that…..Jamaicans, Black Brits and Africans aren’t like us yada yada yada. Now all of sudden the same militants want to 1) exclude Hispanics from rap even though they were present and then 2) claim hip hop as theirs solely like a large share of the early rappers and dj’s weren’t the same Black immigrants y’all can’t stand in any other context.

Y’all full of sh*t.

HipHop as a unified culture started in NYC mainly because of the Disco club culture...and that's what HipHop was trying to replicate but for poor/teenage people

 

[King Ming]

Fat Joe one of those fat white kids who used to hangout with Black kids in the hood... He Latino, grow up around black people and rap culture. We all know the type

He aint black and shouldnt get a pass for saying the N-word, but he aint a culture vulture

 

[Ozymandeas]

Here you go getting emotional to the point your reading comprehension fails you. I never said "not involved" I said did not create.

You wrote papers on my life but you know it better than me. Sedgwick is 10 minutes away from me. I passed it everyday I went to high schooI. I was all over the South Bronx, Harlem, and Dyckman walking through projects and blocks you only know through research.

I'll let Wiz tell it:


I'll let Charlie Chase tell it:


Cholly Rock, an early black b boy:


Literally two Hispanic pioneers saying hip hop at the onset was black but you want to ignore that. There's nothing to get over. Black people created hip hop, Hispanics joined in and made contributions mainly in breaking and graf. Bottom line is no black folks, no hip hop. How is it that we made rock, jazz, funk, soul, and blues without you but we couldn't make hip hop without you?

I didn’t write papers on your life nikka. You are not 60 years old. You were not around in 1973. You contributed nothing. You are a fake ass militant on the Coli. And you dump posting tons of information so people won’t actually read what you writing. Nowhere in Wiz posts does he say Latinos didn’t contribute to hip hop which is YOUR argument. No sensible person without an agenda (read: you) would ever say such a thing. He says Africa influenced the culture which is NOT the argument. Of course Africa influenced people living in Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republican. They’re part African stupid. And Jamaicans, AfAms are obviously black and thus African. I’m done bro. You making up side arguments and straw man arguments that nobody made because your first argument that there was no Hispanics around is false. I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I deal in what happened. Rap didn’t start out in the South like Blues, Jazz, Soul, etc. It started in New York City because multiple cultures lived on every block and it was party music that all the kids fukked with. You don’t get hip hop without Caribbean blacks, Hispanics and regular blacks living together. I don’t know what part of New York you from. You should know this.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Black Brits, Jamaicans and Africans take Black film roles and militants get mad. Say they not real ADOS. Not a part of our heritage. Not like us.

But in terms of Hip Hop though, suddenly it’s all Black baby eventhough a lot of these muthafukkas were from the islands, England, etc. Its just like Blues. Even though Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash were all Caribbean Nothing different about the origins at all. Troll on

 

[Budda]

Black Brits, Jamaicans and Africans take Black film roles and militants get mad. Say they not real ADOS. Not a part of our heritage. Not like us.

But in terms of Hip Hop though, suddenly it’s all Black baby eventhough a lot of these muthafukkas were from the islands, England, etc. Its just like Blues. Even though Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash were all Caribbean Nothing different about the origins at all. Troll on

What are you talking about?

Hip Hop is an Ados genre just like Soul RnB House jazz etc thats it, there is no argument no reasoning to be had these are the cold hard facts.​

 

[Renegade47]

I realize most people have never encountered ny ricans. Before....maybe 10 years ago...if you told a NY Rican they're not black and can't say "nikka" you better be ready to move around.

Yall going tell Thirstin Howl he not a nikka...

wallahi i thought he was a lightskin nikka lmao

 

[Antwon Mitchell]

Show me where I did that, please.

A few of your posts are pretty much self-explanatory, defending Fat Joe's honor and shyt, alluding that he's Black but not ADOS, and completely ignoring his usage of the N-word, while even saying he shares a resemblance with a sibling of yours

That's a bit of a misrepresentation of the situation. The reason(s) why black NYer's don't mind them saying "N1qqa" is because the groups have been around each other so long; depending on age, era and subcultures, that "blacks" ended up seeing Caribbean Latinos as pretty much "light-skinned black people" who speak Spanish

Nah, I've seen way too many Black NYers become passive when dealing with NY Latinos...this thread is proof of the type of nerve and faux entitlement NY Latinos have when it comes to Hip-Hop Culture (among other things) created by ADOS...

Latinos had nothing to do with the creation of Hip-Hop. They were late to the party virtually nothing more than water boys on the sidelines and they know that which is why they try so hard to big up Fat Joe's so-called importance because they have no real representation in the culture dominated by Black/ADOS artists.

They're just a blur in this culture. This isn't the first time I've come across Latinos trying to steal credit and enforce the theory that “Hip-Hop wouldn't be anything without them”.

They're just as bad as cacs when it comes to being cultural vultures/thieves just more slick about it by playing into the whole “Black and Brown/brother & sister” shyt. Get 'em mad enough or say shyt they don't wanna hear and you'll see how all that shyt goes out the window just like in this thread there's an underlying tension steaming from certain posters who are probably Latino.

I'm not even going to keep on responding to this thread. Hopefully, the mods bush this thread like it should've been 12-15 hours ago.

 

[HarlemHottie]

A few of your posts are pretty much self-explanatory, defending Fat Joe's honor and shyt, alluding that he's Black but not ADOS, and completely ignoring his usage of the N-word, while even saying he shares a resemblance with a sibling of yours

Coli I know would characterize this as 'arguing like a female.' I asked you for quotes, not feelings.

I didn't address his use of that word purposefully. As an actual woman, not just a man arguing like one, this is between men. Either somebody in the real world gon knock his fukking block off or they not. End of.

And I'll be damn if somebody from GA or some such gon regulate wtf Fat Joe (or others who share his phenotype, such as my dear brother) is saying on the streets on NYC. Come do it, then.


Edit: and I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[gogogubari]

One question (or 2 idk yet)

So from here on out, does Fat Joe’s lineage have a right to say nikka to y’all, too? I’m sure he doesn’t have his kids living in the ‘hood’ and they didn’t grow up like we grew up. Do they get to say nikka and get a pass from people of NY bc they daddy could? His grandkids? What if his offspring marries white? Are they inducted into the nikka-pass hall of fame, too?

ETA: the culture is BIGGER than just hip-hop. Let’s not forget that

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Yeah, and when the east coast try to make their own version of NWA, everything changed.

When NWA emerges in the late 80s, traditional Black culture veers off, and nikka Culture is essentially born and dominates today.

Which is why proponents of nikka Culture revolve their identity not around the rich legacies that incorporate spirituals, ragtime, the blues, jazz, gospel, funk, disco, reggae, house, call and response -- they center their form of identity on who can and cannot call each other "nikka."

But they've been raised by Eazy, Ren, Yella, Dre, Cube, Pac, Suge, Snoop, Biggie, etc. so it is understandable.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

You dumbass, did you take notice of the dates? HipHop has been around since about 71, Ricans came in more towards 1977-81, that mean Ricans were not there at the start. Step up your reading comprehension

according to caz, ricans came in more around 78-79

cholly rock says ricans came in around 1979-1981










puerto ricans were in the same hoods but they weren't in/around hiphop until the later 1970s because the 2 populations of the specific age group were rivals, enemies and simply didn't associate with one another. here is abby and trac2 talking about the negative energy that existed between blacks and latins (ricans) and that the two groups used to rumble against each other. It wasn't until they had a meeting with zulu nation that, that enegry died off and the two groups came together (this is late 1970s)

A bit off topic, but Ricans have been coming to NY well before 1970s bro, simple research will tell you that.

Historical Puerto Rican population in New York City
Year Pop. ±%

1920 7,364 +1229.2%
1940 61,463 +734.6%
1950 187,420 +204.9%
1960 612,574 +226.8%
1970 817,712 +33.5%
1980 860,552 +5.2%
1990 896,763 +4.2%
2000 789,172 −12.0%
2010 723,621 −8.3%
2012 730,848 +1.0%

 

[kingofnyc]

did you actually wacth that docu?


@ 1:00:43 a black gang member speaking on the relationship with the puerto rican gangs + how that changed after the gang truce and park jams started coming in

1:01:05 he says "you couldn't talk to no puerto rican girls back then, while being black in the south bronx and live! it wasn't happening"





Trac2 (first generation Rican bboy) on the relationship between blacks and ricans prior to the park jams:

"I had black friends in school but once we went home/school ended, they (blacks) went their way and we (ricans) went our way, and we never really socialized together"

like what the hell does this have to do with what you originally said … a black dude saying he couldn’t talk to a Puerto Rican girl back in those dayz - has to do with Blacks & Ricans Unity in gang culture
You do understand that back in those days everything was territorial … It was frowned on if a dude tried to holla at a girl who live outside of his section/area/project whatever u wanna call it

dude I was born in the Bronx; my mother was born and raised in the 50s south bronx, her brother was in the black spades and her godmother was a puerto rican

well, inna older thread - as we was going back-and-forth with your disrespect to Kool Herc … when I said I was born and raise in the North Bronx you then took a shot at my hood and I replied with “where u from” & u never answered

so, i only assumed u wasn’t a Bronx nikka