Im sorry but let me remind you 2pac shot 5 cops

[kp404]

You're way off in left field.

Pac hit on damn near every range of human emotion.Pac didn't have to be a "Poor Righteous Teacher" or a "Brand Nubian"...Pac was just Tupac sharing his life experiences through song.

All of them dudes you named, Pac is like the very lifeblood of their artistic ideologies.He is the child of real revolutionaries(Afeni Shakur/Mutulu Shakur) who really walked through the fire.The people who Public Enemy, Brand Nubian etc looked up to.He soaked up game firsthand, close quarters, with true to life revolutionaries, but somehow "Poor Righteous Teachers" are more revolutionary than him?

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Pac had a more thorough understanding/intimate knowledge on what it took to be a revolutionary than any of them cats you named.

I've never seen Pac as a hardcore gangsta Just a brother who wasn't afraid to speak his mind

Then we agree...I'm saying the exact same thing...people want to revise Pac's life after he died, but he what he was: a great rapper, and that's it. And in terms of revolutionary, I'm talking self-determination, black consciousness, and collectivized agency....I did not see that in Pac's music after me Against the World...he was self-aware, but he was not calling for the same thing as what I deem revolutionary

 

[kp404]

This is his most underrated song by far off his first album

This is the powerful Pac...imagine if he kept this style his whole career....imagine how powerful he would have been in '95

 

[Jone2three45]

That's my God of War,

 

[DaveyDave]

this is the 2nd time i've heard someone say it was 5 cops where is this bullshyt coming from

 

[JuvenileHell]

Pac's legacy is solid, got folks erecting statues and studying his pen game. Son is just alone on his own tier

 

[kp404]

this is the 2nd time i've heard someone say it was 5 cops where is this bullshyt coming from

first time I heard 2 cops, then no cops, then five cops....pac stans give this nikka more legends than John Henry or the Tooth Fairy

 

[DaveyDave]

first time I heard 2 cops, then no cops, then five cops....pac stans give this nikka more legends than John Henry or the Tooth Fairy

it's always been 2, but the fact that they were off duty probably means they weren't in uniform so he didn't know they were cops, it was just 2 white guys harassing a black kid.

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

What these other so called real nikkas doing

How dare you fakkits disrespect my idol

do yall grow azz men be serious ........ fatherless

Heard through the grapevine, you got fukked fo' times
Damn that three to nine, fukked you up for real doe
Sling steal slow, as for remorse, we feel no

Damn near 20 years later, nikka's still trying to diminish the shine of sucking the dikk of a dead man....a dead man

Think about that.

It's like swinging a bat at the air and trying to hurt the air.....You're just frustrating yourself.The legacy is what it is.

Y'all can't change it.Just get on with your lives, brehs

fixed

 

[Piff Perkins]

I love when nikkas try to call out Tupac for being "fake" while totally ignoring the fact that he popped shots at the cops and got away with it. Whether Tupac got caught up playing a role he wasn't built for or not, the fact remains that he went all the way.

 

[Still Benefited]

Then we agree...I'm saying the exact same thing...people want to revise Pac's life after he died, but he what he was: a great rapper, and that's it. And in terms of revolutionary, I'm talking self-determination, black consciousness, and collectivized agency....I did not see that in Pac's music after me Against the World...he was self-aware, but he was not calling for the same thing as what I deem revolutionary

Eeeh I kinda feel what you saying. And If Pac had just sold out for monetary gain that would be one thing. But can you honestly say his music is not honest?his catalogue might be the only one that really reads like a book far as each album representing what his life was about at the time.

Whether you believe he bought it all on himself or not is irrelevant....the music reflects his life story as it went....u can be dissapointed he personally went off the path that you prefer he would've taken in life....but I don't see how some people can be upset his music took a turn when it only took a turn because his life did...its not like he popped with a certain type of song or pop record,gangsta rap song,chick songs and just changed his entire style of music up for profit....but I guess Cube,Nas and many more get the same criticisms...but its even a little more unfair in Pacs case imo...if u thought he was revolutionary at his debut don't see why people would think that was lost in him personally,whether music was on that tip or not.

 

[Big Mark]

What a great guy and role model.

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

People love to bring up this bullshyt...what does shooting five cops have to do with the fact that Pac was not, and never was a gangsta....why so many people are such Pac dikkriders that the idea that he was a talented musician is not enough...they have to try and prove he was hard. Pac was not hard. Get over it. He was not a revolutionary..he was not Kwame Ture, Amiri Baraka, Huey Newton, etc..he wa snot calling for radical thought or black collectivization...He was a great rapper, that's it.

Yea he was real, I agree, but he was not some hardcore gangsta that everyone likes to call him...people need to know their history and stop giving Pac this convoluted image...how about Poor Righteous Teachers? How about the Jungle Brothers? Public Enemy? Brand Nubian? Geto Boys? K-Rino and the Terrorists of the South Park Coalition? These were revolutionary dudes who practiced what they preached...real gangstas if you know what a gangsta is

if you want to hear the real Pac when he was actually the most radical, listen to 2Pacalypse Now, which I consider to be damn near brilliant in referencing the black freedom struggle...I argue that it alongside Me Against the World, are the hardest things Pac ever did....after that, it was downhill and he fell victim to the capitalist system that he was so against

real jewels dropped here

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Eeeh I kinda feel what you saying. And If Pac had just sold out for monetary gain that would be one thing. But can you honestly say his music is not honest?his catalogue might be the only one that really reads like a book far as each album representing what his life was about at the time.

Whether you believe he bought it all on himself or not is irrelevant....the music reflects his life story as it went....u can be dissapointed he personally went off the path that you prefer he would've taken in life....but I don't see how some people can be upset his music took a turn when it only took a turn because his life did...its not like he popped with a certain type of song or pop record,gangsta rap song,chick songs and just changed his entire style of music up for profit....but I guess Cube,Nas and many more get the same criticisms...but its even a little more unfair in Pacs case imo...if u thought he was revolutionary at his debut don't see why people would think that was lost in him personally,whether music was on that tip or not.

That's what I'm saying.Pac never changed his style, he just got sidetracked by some extortionist attempts, and had to fight back.

He basically laid out his life on them tracks.He never lost "consciousness"....In fact, I think Makaveli was his most conscious album.It wasn't intellectual or conceptualized, it was Pac in his most poignant state of self realization.Raw and visceral.It's just simple truths/being human.That was Pac's genius.As an artist,he understood the power of just simply being human

Even the premise of the thread is way off track.People are to busy going "I'm sick of people talking about this shyt, he aint gangsta"

When really, it's their own perspective that's warped.Just look at it....Pac didn't do that shyt thinking "I'll shoot these cops and get my street cred up"

He didn't even know they were cops.He just saw 2 white dudes harassing a black man and decided to come to the aid of another human being.That's not even gangsta, that's just some stand up, honorable shyt to do.

 

[Still Benefited]

That's what I'm saying.Pac never changed his style, he just got sidetracked by some extortionist attempts, and had to fight back.

He basically laid out his life on them tracks.He never lost "consciousness"....In fact, I think Makaveli was his most conscious album.It wasn't intellectual or conceptualized, it was Pac in his most poignant state of self realization.Raw and visceral.It's just simple truths/being human.That was Pac's genius.As an artist,he understood the power of just simply being human

Even the premise of the thread is way off track.People are to busy going "I'm sick of people talking about this shyt, he aint gangsta"

When really, it's their own perspective that's warped.Just look at it....Pac didn't do that shyt thinking "I'll shoot these cops and get my street cred up"

He didn't even know they were cops.He just saw 2 white dudes harassing a black man and decided to come to the aid of another human being.That's not even gangsta, that's just some stand up, honorable shyt to do.

Him stopping to help that man was definitly standup,but I gotta admit if he really shot em bcuz he was mad they busted the window out in his benz as his homie said I still

I don't mind somebody not seeing him as a revolutionary,but if you saw him as a revolutionary early on in his career I don't see why you would stop. Music just gives you a window into a artist mentality,I don't think Pacs mentality about his people changed much besides the bitterness towards black women after the rape case which he later admitted he was wrong to have.

He definitly didn't wanna be a leader and said he wasn't ready. But I think he definitly embraced the idea LATER towards the end of his career moreso than at the beginning despite what the music earlier in his career might have said just based off of interviews....seemed a lot more reluctant early on to embrace that role or talk about it like he did at the end. Dude seemed to have a lot of ideas and seemed excited about where he felt he could show nikkas and lead nikkas too. Shame he died as it just got to be ideas and not proven action. But that's really no different than music,so u can't believe he's a revolutionary when he rapped about revolutionary shyt. But he's no longer that because he only talked aboout it but not in rhyme form.

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

He was never convicted of rape . Haitian Jack set him up for that rape case, he never got anyone shot, it was Stretch's fault he got murked, and he wasn't beefing with everyone in fact he squashed multiple beefs, and Biggie said he fukks kids in the ass so are we suppose to take that literally?

@MooseMouthMthafuga was speaking real shyt. He also never said Pac was a "civil activist". Learn to read bruh.

just a beautiful fukking post

there's a fukking spin or counterargument to anything that could even at its slightest be perceived as negative that 2pac may have done in his life


instead of the contradictory notion being what makes him human and great, he's this superhero god-like idol. not including the above post, the op who created the thread even called him his idol


@Method Man @Illeye buckmatic i think i figured out my stan wars thread vote


before i get quotes hating on what i just said, 2pac is a great artist that made great music. everyone can make mistakes though yall worship the ground these rappers walk on and expect everyone to do the same