Imagine if the Clippers left Mute alone or at the least didn't let him talk them into trading for George Paul

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If legit star was written all over SGA, he's not falling to 11. It's a situation where someone traded a prospect and it finally burned a team even when the other team initially got the best player available.

The trade even without Shai would still look horrible given that one of those picks became Jalen Williams.


Only reason why I'm not addressing Kawhi is because Ballmer and Frank clearly don't mind him not playing that much because they keep re-upping him.
Its not about what was written all over him, its about what he actually was. shyt Kawhi was drafted 15th and is another example.
 

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Its not about what was written all over him, its about what he actually was. shyt Kawhi was drafted 15th and is another example.

and if rookie Kawhi was the dealbreaker to get say 2012 Melo, it's the price you pay. Normally these trades don't burn a team the way this one did. This is very much an all-timer trade.

If it's one thing people hate, it's prospect hugging when your team is going for it.
 

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and if rookie Kawhi was the dealbreaker to get say 2012 Melo, it's the price you pay. Normally these trades don't burn a team the way this one did. This is very much an all-timer trade.

If it's one thing people hate, it's prospect hugging when your team is going for it.
But thats not what I was talking about.
 

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IIRC, Kawhi recruited KD first... so Kawhi was willing to forfeit the 2020 season for a chance to win with a healthy KD in 2021, but KD said no/he already committed to BK with his bud Kyrie.

Then Kawhi recruited Butler... but Butler said no, he already committed to Miami.

Then Doc said PG was available via trade and Kawhi said get that mf'er. Doc tried to walk it back once OKC gave him the asking price but it was "too late".

So 7 years after that big 2019 offseason, all of them -Kawhi, KD, Kyrie, Butler, PG, + Russ and CP3- have failed to win a single title between them in that time span.

It is what it is tho; hindsight is probably a muthafukka
 
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Imagine if the Thunder listened to y'all and traded SGA 2-3 years ago when everyone wanted him on a contender and HATED the process OKC took to get here

Everybody knows the world over when the finished product is staring them in the fukking face. Never took chances or built shyt in their life…a lot of men are what women used to be

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That was the era where were people valued stars over everything. SGA never would have been as good on the Clippers as he is now cause neither Doc nor Lue fukk with young players like that ( :dame:)
People valued stars because besides the 14 spurs every title team going back to 08 at that point acquired one via free agency or trade. Can’t blame them for doing what was proven to work before the cba changed
 

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If they didn’t trade for Paul George, Kawhi ends up a Laker.
Are we sure? Or was that just (very shrewd) bluffing? If he wanted the Lakers he woulda went there. We really gonna act like PG tipped the scales vs Bron, AD and THE glamour franchise? He wasnt going there. He used them and sabotaged them yet ended up playing himself and the Clips.
 

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Are we sure? Or was that just (very shrewd) bluffing? If he wanted the Lakers he woulda went there. We really gonna act like PG tipped the scales vs Bron, AD and THE glamour franchise? He wasnt going there. He used them and sabotaged them yet ended up playing himself and the Clips.
idk what was what. All i know is what was put out there at the time. Kawhi wanted to go back to Southern Cali and it was between the Clippers and Lakers. Everyone assumed it was going to be the Lakers. Clippers may have been Kawhi's first choice, but he didn't feel that team had enough to compete. He got PG, and that was enough for him.

And George was like top 3 in MVP voting that 18-19 season also, so it wasn't like he got just his man to carry his weed.

UNless you have something written from those close to the situation to support your theory, I am going with what was put out at the time.
 

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People forget they actually had two max slots and they were coming off a near 50 win season. The real what if is what if Jimmy or KD or shyt even Kyrie goes there AND you still have SGA. Or what if Kawhi goes there and they fill that slot with quality role guys. Just goes to show how incompetent and totally dependent on stars some of these FOs are. Sure us fans make that move but you are being paid millions to be better than us fans yet they constantly give us proof to the contrary.
This wasn’t an option. This is the point yall keep missing which makes this argument dumb by definition. Kawhi just came off of a title and wasn’t going there unless there was a legitimate, current star there as well. And his leverage was he could just go play with the Lakers alongside AD and the GOAT.
 
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