imagine if the Nazis got the bomb first

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the fact that bomb was dropped on the japs and not Germany is a testament to white supremacy.

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i agree. im actually thinking about it now and i dont think they could have sold bombing germany like they sold bombing japan

but, pearl harbor played into the no fukks given as well. and im pretty sure germany was already surrendered by the time this thing was ready
 

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im also not gonna sympathize for a japan whose main (one of many) reasons for not surrendering, was because they knew theyd have to admit the emperor was just a regular man and not divine :beli:
Hitler believed the exact same thing and didn't giveup until the bitter end. Despite the MILLIONS the Germans murked, they still got a pass from the powers that be. The atrocities the Japs did paled in comparison to the horrors the Nazi's were guilty of. The reality is that many Americans, (including Wilson) were sympathetic to the Nazi government for many years, especially in the late 1930's early 1940's. It really wasn't until near the end of the war when many Americans began to support the idea of openly challenging Nazi Germany
 
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Japan did some stupid shyt yes...but there are a lot of sources out there noting that Japan was done. They were probably reeling after the first bomb but i dont know for sure. FWIW, they, alongside Hitler attacking Russia, cost the Axis the war. America was content with just selling guns then the Japs decided to wake the giant just to make some minor gains in the pacific and because they were salty over some industrial trade disagreements. One of the dumbest moves in military history.
yes the blue pill definition of history...i thought this was Higher Learning?
 

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i agree. im actually thinking about it now and i dont think they could have sold bombing germany like they sold bombing japan

but, pearl harbor played into the no fukks given as well. and im pretty sure germany was already surrendered by the time this thing was ready

They easily could have justified nuking Germany regardless...I dont think Britain/France/Russia wanted that AT ALL though..because of Germany's proximity to other Allied Countries and political ambitions there after the war was over. Japan was fairly remote and there was never an overwhelming desire to control mainland Japan. That played a role in it as well.
 

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One -- fortunately, Germany would never have developed a bomb. They dropped out of the bomb project in late 1942. They believed they didn't have the resources needed to make one, other projects had higher priority, and that if the bomb could be created would take several years of effort, and wouldn't be needed during hostilities anyway because Germany expected to defeat their enemies quickly. Had the Cross-Channel attack not occurred around the time it did, it's quite possible that the bombs would have been dropped on Germany.

Two, Japan wanted a separate peace, not a surrender and subsequent occupation of the country. They rejected surrenders of any kind several times before the bombs were dropped, both from the Allies and from their own diplomats in Europe. It wasn't until the two atomic bombs were dropped and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria that brought them to accept the terms of unconditional surrender from the Potsdam Declaration.

Three, I don't see what dropping the bombs has to do with Russia. Stalin already knew through his espionage networks that Britain and the U.S. were developing atomic weapons, and he used the information his spies harnessed to help Russia build a bomb of his own. Truman even told Stalin at the Potsdam Conference that they had a few bombs that they hoped to use on Japan (Truman knew that Stalin knew that the U.S. had been working on atomic bombs, but not that they were successfully testing them), and Stalin merely hoped that the U.S. would use them. What the U.S. wanted as far as the original plan went was for the Soviet Union to tie down Japanese troops in Manchuria while the Allied forces would invade Japan itself.

Fourth, the bomb saved thousands of lives on both sides. There wasn't only the anticipated invasion of Japan, but continued bitter fighting in Southeast Asia, and the Japanese plan of slaughtering any POWs in their hands had the homeland been invaded. The two bombs and the Soviet invasion prevented all of these from occurring and brought a long and bitter war to a quick and abrupt end.
 

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My grandparents on one side are germans who moved to Australia in the 1960's :sadcam:

I'm not a blonde haired fakkit though :whoa:
Perhaps they were just citizens that wanted to leave all the fukkery behind.. who knows? Maybe they even saved a few Jews. Or maybe they believed they were of the master race :lupe:

You might consider digging into it a little and going through their stuff in the attic. If one day you see gramps with an SS sign tatted somewhere, or stumble upon a crusty old Hitler Youth dagger in one of this boxes.. :whoa:

back outta there slow like

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I dug through a few bits and bobs of my ancestor's stuff and realized that some of them were killed in the war against the Japanese (I'm Chinese btw), and were also involved in the political turmoil of China. Like :ohhh: my great grandad was a communist who fought the British and built schools, and my great grandad on the other side was a triad member who helped run the docks and was basically pimpin women out for years:ohhh: numerous arrest records, and a crusty old sword he used to carry alot.

and i'm here posting on the coli and smoking weed :ehh:
time to do some drastic shyt :shaq:
 

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I'm pretty sure I read estimates of like 40k casualties if we had to fight on Japan...

I think it's horrible but it was the common sense choice. The soldiers and the public were pretty fatigued by this stage as well especially after defeating Germany.
im also not gonna sympathize for a japan whose main (one of many) reasons for not surrendering, was because they knew theyd have to admit the emperor was just a regular man and not divine :beli:

You guys are making this false dichotomy like the only two options were nuke Japan or put troops on the ground and risk the lives of a ton of American soldiers. That's just not the case. We were completely destroying cities with fire bombing before nukes were dropped. Axis powers were finished, and using nukes had very little to do with saving lives, but had everything to do with sending a message.
 

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This hasnt been touched on but Eastern Europe would have been a slaughterhouse for a long time. The SS would have backed the Ustase even more than they did and the Ustase were some of the most vile motherfukkers ever.
 

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brehs all i have to do is dye my hair blonde (i have blue eyes) and i'd be the perfect little aryan, i would've at least had that going for me.
THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THIS AMONG HISTORIANS, BROTHER! USING THE BOMB MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MESSAGE TO THE RUSSIANS, DUDE!
could it had been both? From what I understand a ground invasion would be so costly casualty wise because the japs give no fukks and would fight until the very last one. I know Dan Carlin talks about this on one of his podcasts
 

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Hiroshima blows my mind reading about it :mindblown: one of the most heinous and reprehensible acts in human history

only the african holocaust was worse.


we wanted to show russia and others that we mean business and say.... fukk Japanese. We made them our bytches after that.

by We , I mean.. usa
 
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