Imagine what Warren Moon would do in this Patriots system

[Tony D'Amato]

josh mcdaniels thought tebow was worthy of a first round pick

What that gotta do w/ playcalling

 

[010101]

yes there are a host of more talented qbs you could name
but tom soaked up the game belichick was spitting on some mind meld wave
he's the most successful qb ever

goat arm¿goat athlete¿ fukk no but just look at tb12 as a lesson steady wins the race don't quit to you get the kill

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[yseJ]

What that gotta do w/ playcalling

ok, you want to talk about playcalling , josh had some awful playcalls last night. that drive that ended in a FG (just before the fumble) was awful. 5 minute drive for a FG and shytty screens going nowhere.

 

[mastermind]

When he is asked to face pressure, throw receivers open, or improvise, like every other great QB in the history of the game is typically great at, he usually looks like just a guy.

this is nonsense

 

[resurrection]

this is nonsense

Not really. The limited times they've actually lost with Br*dy as QB, the key has always been to get pressure on him with a 4 man rush. Lots of QB's have to face this, but because he almost always has great protection and the vast majority of his passes travel less than 10 yards from the LOS, he rarely has to face a degree of difficulty that other QBs face.

There are a lot of factors that make this successful. As I alluded before, Br*dy being smart and so well-versed in his offense and reading defenses and knowing where he'll go with the ball ahead of time is the biggest reason why he's so successful. Another huge reason is because he can repeat this over and over again, play after play, relatively mistake-free. Most guys can't do that. Or they don't have the patience and feel compelled to take bigger risks, wait in the pocket longer, and pick up bigger chunks at a time. This is why other teams don't duplicate this. They lack a QB who mentally grasps the game so well that he can deliver the ball quickly over and over again without throwing it right to defenders. Also they lack the patience.

But it all blows up in his face when a defense is able to play tight press man coverage in the secondary and get pressure with 4 on Br*dy. This is when he has to hold the ball, this is when he is forced out of his rhythm of knowing where he'll go with it, and getting it out before he can be touched. Essentially, this is when he is in situations that, for one reason or another, most other QBs in the league face with regularity. And when this happens, he gets thrown out of rhythm, suddenly becomes inaccurate, suddenly makes questionable decisions, suddenly takes bad sacks - it's like he looks like a regular NFL QB.

But what makes Br*dy great is his (along with the coaching/system, playcalling, and execution of his teammates) ability to rarely find himself in these situations. He plays the position better because he (along with this coaching staff) has mastered lessening the physical degree of difficulty of what he has to do to be successful.

 

[yseJ]

Not really. The limited times they've actually lost with Br*dy as QB, the key has always been to get pressure on him with a 4 man rush.

so was with peyton. if you can get successful pressures on ANY immobile qb with 3-4 players rush, this means you're in very good shape, because youre dropping 8-7 people in coverage since you dont have to contain qb runs. its not really rocket science here.

its basic football common sense. whats hard is to constantly do this with 3-4 people against a 5 man line and couple extra blockers in TE and/or RB, that is built to protect a statue in the pocket.
brady sucked last night in the first half, mostly because solder and the rest of the line was getting beat like a drum. that shyt started affecting his throws and caused him to fukk up mentally with that awful pick. then the line started to dominate in the second half and brady started to get into rhythm

in short, its easier said than done to get that 3-4 man pressure consistently and pretty much all immobile qbs have that problem if it happens.

 

[resurrection]

so was with peyton. if you can get successful pressures on ANY immobile qb with 3-4 players rush, this means you're in very good shape, because youre dropping 8-7 people in coverage since you dont have to contain qb runs. its not really rocket science here.

its basic football common sense. whats hard is to constantly do this with 3-4 people against a 5 man line and couple extra blockers in TE and/or RB, that is built to protect a statue in the pocket.
brady sucked last night in the first half, mostly because solder and the rest of the line was getting beat like a drum. that shyt started affecting his throws and caused him to fukk up mentally with that awful pick. then the line started to dominate in the second half and brady started to get into rhythm

in short, its easier said than done to get that 3-4 man pressure consistently and pretty much all immobile qbs have that problem if it happens.

Exactly. Which is why what I said is not really crazy or "nonsense" or whatever the other guy said. Br*dy has played behind superior line play, along with an offense that is okay with him throwing the ball short of 10 yards on nearly every attempt, for his entire career. He rarely faces pressure. When he is asked to play like most other QBs are asked to play, to me he looks like just a guy.

 

[yseJ]

Exactly. Which is why what I said is not really crazy or "nonsense" or whatever the other guy said. Br*dy has played behind superior line play, along with an offense that is okay with him throwing the ball short of 10 yards on nearly every attempt, for his entire career. He rarely faces pressure. When he is asked to play like most other QBs are asked to play, to me he looks like just a guy.

I cant agree with this. I dont understand how he 'looks like a guy', when hes accurate, has uncanny pocket presence, and is mentally/decision making beast along with good defense reading skills. thats the like the top 3 qualities you want out of your qb. something like 'pretty passes downfield' or 'arm strength' is pure garbage compared to those qualities.

I dont get what you mean that he isn't 'asked to play like most other QBs'- if other teams have a qb of his caliber, they will also build a line specifically for him.
again, take any hall of fame qb who isnt mobile and you see the same traits.

most other shyt stems from his strengths. then theres the whole 'short passes' thing which make him sound like alex smith. he is also extremely accurate on medium throws. that throw on 3rd and 10 on the drive that tied the game was perfect and right on the high/lo concept.

dude passed new england back into the game yesterday after a couple of breaks went their way. cant argue with that.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When he is asked to face pressure, throw receivers open, or improvise, like every other great QB in the history of the game is typically great at, he usually looks like just a guy. Luckily the offensive line rarely breaks down and the receivers typically get where they need to get to, so he doesn't often have to worry about this

 

[resurrection]

Take the emotion of last nights game out of it. They went 10 years ringless because they got beat year after year by someone who understood that Br*dy needs conditions to be a certain way to be successful. To oversimplify, pressure + tight windows will throw him off completely. Every other QB faces those scenarios regularly. He's an expert at avoiding them. That's all I'm saying.

 

[resurrection]

Also, I'm not saying he's not great. I'm just saying he's great at different things than what we typically associate with great QB play. He is redefining, or maybe clarifying, what "greatness" truly means as far as playing QB goes

 

[JameisNewton]

Take the emotion of last nights game out of it. They went 10 years ringless because they got beat year after year by someone who understood that Br*dy needs conditions to be a certain way to be successful. To oversimplify, pressure + tight windows will throw him off completely. Every other QB faces those scenarios regularly. He's an expert at avoiding them. That's all I'm saying.

Congrats, you just described every QB ever.