In 2018, are we finna view addiction as a disease?

[ba'al]

I'm arguing that it shouldn't be called a diseases because it removes personal responsibility from the situation
Just like you said, those addictions I listed are preventable and are not genetic based, which counters the common narrative of what I referenced in the OP

So preventable diseases can't be called diseases? And a lot of addictions have links with chemical imbalances. I can't follow you stance, and I believe these people should be able to ge rehabilation and aid if they need it.

It's actually a funny skit from south park that explains this below.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

So preventable diseases can't be called diseases? And a lot of addictions have links with chemical imbalances. I can't follow you stance, and I believe these people should be able to ge rehabilation and aid if they need it.

It's actually a funny skit from south park that explains this below.

lol. I remember that episode.

Folks suffering from addiction should get help,I'm saying a gambling addiction and many of those other addictions, doesn't satisfy the dictionary definition of a disease

 

[ba'al]

lol. I remember that episode.

Yeah it was funny, haha.

Folks suffering from addiction should get help,I'm saying a gambling addiction and many of those other addictions, doesn't satisfy the dictionary definition of a disease

The dictionary shows common usage for words it isn't a regulatory book on language. Not to mention it does fit into the definition even in it's most ambigious form of the latin prefix "dis" attached to the word ease. And arguing that calling addiction a disease gives people an excuse isn't really that good of argument either in what world does that work where some get's diagnosed with a disease and continue to do things that worsen their symptoms with their disease as an excuse? Most humans would seek help rather than enabling their disease. How could you look at a drug addict digging through the trash or selling all their possessions just to get their next hit as not a disease? I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out to be in my opinion.

 

[Calmye]

not always breh. Remember, cocaine and heroin had "legit" usage


pure propaganda.Folks know the repercussions of over shopping OR drug use OR watching porn OR overeating OR gambling OR over drinking etc

You don't know what a disease is do you?

 

[LightSkinYeshua]

lol. I remember that episode.

Folks suffering from addiction should get help,I'm saying a gambling addiction and many of those other addictions, doesn't satisfy the dictionary definition of a disease

If u hold the susceptibility to addiction, it may come in different forms. Just because its gambling addiction doesnt mean if isnt watrented aid, its just that form of satisfying behavior that was developed in accordance to addiction.

 

[Calmye]

Sounds like an easy way for people to make excuses for their addiction

I never get this logic. As if having a disease is an answer. Crazy the ignorance on something that's been proven before anyone in this thread was born.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Yeah it was funny, haha.

The dictionary shows common usage for words it isn't a regulatory book on language. Not to mention it does fix into the definition even in it's most ambigious form of the latin prefix "dis" attached to the word ease. And arguing that calling addiction a disease gives people an excuse isn't really that good of argument either in what world does that work where some get's diagnosed with a disease and continue to do things that worsen their symptoms with their disease? Most humans would seek help rather than enabling their disease. How could you look at a drug addict digging through the trash or selling all their possessions just to get their next hit? I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out to be in my opinion.

Addiction wasn't always considered a disease, what changed? greed
The reason I specified the dictionary meaning is to avoid explaining models and categorizing within those models. There's nothing ambiguous about the dictionary definition of a diease, but what's certainly missing is any reference to personal responsibility

go down the list of addiction and choose which satisfy this defintion

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

If u hold the susceptibility to addiction, it may come in different forms. Just because its gambling addiction doesnt mean if isnt watrented aid, its just that form of satisfying behavior that was developed in accordance to addiction.

Societal responsibility means nothing if not complimented by personal responsibility, and vice versa

it's not about them getting help, but the balance between how much help to offer(societal responsibility) vs them taking personal responsibility

You don't know what a disease is do you?

only one way to find out huh...

 

[Asicz]

This should've been the default reasoning and approach taken during addiction awareness efforts, but instead they jump straight to labeling it a diseases, without proving it. More likely for financial reasons

Co Founder of AA was a medical Dr. therefore the medical terminology.
American Medical Association then stamped the disease model of alcoholism.

 

[ba'al]

Going to have to just disagree with you and a lot of your arguments aren't very convincing are you a alias btw you remind me of another post on here?

Addiction wasn't always considered a disease, what changed? greed

Most mental diseases weren't considered diseases in the past. Medival times if someone had a mental disorder they would say he was bewitched and kill them or place them in prison. Studys change as new information becomes known that's how science works.

Addiction wasn't always considered a disease, what changed? greed
The reason I specified the dictionary meaning is to avoid explaining models and categorizing within those models. There's nothing ambiguous about the dictionary definition of a diease, but what's certainly missing is any reference to personal responsibility

First you have to realize there's different types of dictionaries law dictionaries, health dictionaries, science dictionaries etc. What one word might mean in a linguistic dictionary might not mean the same in the field of law, or health. Not to mention you're arguing semantics at this point. In a debate forum it would be called Argumentum ad dictionarium or just an appeal to defintion fallacy.

 

[ultraflexed]

no single genes exist
no baby is born an addict without their moms involvement

it's already viewed as a disease, you get disability checks for being a nonfunctional alcoholic and crack head

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

This is why the addict stays an addict. The addict is the ultimate excuse maker. Cancer is a disease. Addiction is a choice that has terrible consequences. It is a choice that leads to chemical and physical dependency. Idk why he desensitize the word addiction. That word is powerful enough. Addiction prevention needs to be talked about, not fighting the ‘disease’

And this is coming from a former alcoholic who made the choice to start drinking (after some tragic events) and chose every day to continue drinking instead of getting help.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Addiction became a disease when the government was faced with the issue of potentially sending thousands of white people to prison.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Going to have to just disagree with you and a lot of your arguments aren't very convincing are you a alias btw you remind me of another post on here?
Most mental diseases weren't considered diseases in the past. Medival times if someone had a mental disorder they would say he was bewitched and kill them or place them in prison. Studys change as new information becomes known that's how science works.
First you have to realize there's different types of dictionaries law dictionaries, health dictionaries, science dictionaries etc. What one word might mean in a linguistic dictionary might not mean the same in the field of law, or health. Not to mention you're arguing semantics at this point. In a debate forum it would be called Argumentum ad dictionarium or just an appeal to defintion fallacy.

You are now juelzSanatana-ing me breh

There's no need to reference medieval times or dictionary types to avoid admitting that you cannot apply the diseases' definition to the list of addiction. And what's crazy is that most folks that are addicts can/do recover without the traditional and expensive treatments offered. What other "disease" has a similar result?

If AMA declared alcoholism a diseases in 1956, despite two years prior the ASAM being founded, why did it take until the 90's for the other types of addiction to be categorized as a disease ? because of the rise of political correctness and the efforts to void the stigma of being an addict

Once addiction is re-categorized to a diseases like Alzheimers, then the stigma of being an addict disappears, empathy and sympathy is offered

More sympathy means
more treatment products and remedies offered on the market,
more diagnosis and specialist needed,
more research,
more private and government funding,
....basically more money

Co Founder of AA was a medical Dr. therefore the medical terminology.
American Medical Association then stamped the disease model of alcoholism.

Imagine how much knowledge we're missing out on in terms of research results because we don't have a unique and accurate model for addiction

it's already viewed as a disease, you get disability checks for being a nonfunctional alcoholic and crack head

My point is that it shouldn't be

 

[Asicz]

Addiction is at the very least a disorder with biological effects and possibly biological roots.

Like Depression
Depression is disability
Substance use disorder is a legit disability.

Imo.

 

[Asicz]

Brains scans show different activity in addicts. Thus leading credibility to addiction having a biological component imo. Disease deals with biology.