In a first, more Americans support gun rights than gun control

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Washington — Almost two years after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Americans' support for gun rights is rising.

By a margin of 52 percent to 46 percent, Americans say protecting the rights of gun owners is more important than gun control, according to a survey by the Pew Research Center released Wednesday. It is the first time Pew found more support for gun ownership than gun control in more than two decades of surveys on the issue.

“Support for gun rights has edged up from earlier this year, and marks a substantial shift in attitudes since shortly after the Newtown school shooting,” the Pew report says. The second anniversary of the massacre is this Sunday.


Right after the mass shooting, in which a gunman killed 27 people and then himself, the balance of opinion favored gun control. But since January 2013, support for gun rights over gun control has risen from 45 percent to 52 percent, while the percentage who prioritize gun control has gone down, from 51 percent to 46 percent.



Among African-Americans, Pew found a dramatic shift in opinion. A majority of blacks, 54 percent, now say gun ownership does more to protect people than to endanger personal safety. Two years ago, only 29 percent of black Americans held that view.

But the portion of the sample identifying as African-American was small: Only 132 out of 1,507 people surveyed were black non-Hispanic, with a margin of error of plus or minus 9.8 percentage points.

Among whites, pro-gun views have also risen, but not as sharply. Some 62 percent now see guns as a protection, up from 54 percent in December 2012, according to Pew. The margin of error for the white sample is plus or minus 3.4 percentage points. The survey was taken between Dec. 3 and 7.

Pew also found that partisan differences over guns have widened in the past two years.

“As was the case in December 2012, a majority of Democrats (60 percent) say guns do more to put people’s safety at risk, while only about a third (35 percent) say they do more to protect people from becoming crime victims,” Pew reports. “By contrast, 8 in 10 Republicans say guns do more to protect people from becoming crime victims, up 17 points from December 2012.”
 

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Was talking about this with a friend yesterday.

If 26 children being shot with a "sporting" rifle doesn't convince the country we need to limit who gets a hold of firearms then nothing will. Lots of this sentiment is all that built up/below the surface fear that the President or Agenda 21 or immigrants or whoever will take their guns and their Bibles and bald eagles and freedom if even the most reasonable of legislation is passed.

'Murica y'all.
 

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Was talking about this with a friend yesterday.

If 26 children being shot with a "sporting" rifle doesn't convince the country we need to limit who gets a hold of firearms then nothing will. Lots of this sentiment is all that built up/below the surface fear that the President or Agenda 21 or immigrants or whoever will take their guns and their Bibles and bald eagles and freedom if even the most reasonable of legislation is passed.

'Murica y'all.

So which groups are precluded from purchasing guns and how do you enforce it?

:ohhh:
 

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I'm glad to see a swift rise in black respect of gun ownership?

Have the events of the past year finally opened eyes?

You want to live? You have to FIGHT.

I'm strongly considering learning to shoot and getting an open carry permit. A couple of my boys have already done it.
 

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So which groups are precluded from purchasing guns and how do you enforce it?

:ohhh:

Crazy people. Criminals. Pretty standard stuff. Training and storage requirements should be tightened.

Enforcement? Well you've gotta close that gun show loophole. Right now it's more a matter of a lack of rules than enforcement. You've got weapons flowing from states with loose laws to states (and countries) with tougher laws so uniformity is important.

@NoMayo15 brother go to YouTube and check out the type of people open carriers are. Let us know if you REALLY want to be associated with them.
 

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I'm strongly considering learning to shoot and getting an open carry permit. A couple of my boys have already done it.
You mean concealed carry permit? If you live in a state that allows open carry, you don't need to get a permit. If you live in a state that requires a pistol permit, then that usually doubles as a concealed carry permit.
 

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I see nothing wrong.
Criminal love to shoot they just hate it when you fire back.
 

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So black people :heh:

As long as the KKK law enforcement is in place blacks will continue to be disproportionately harmed by these controls.
Meanwhile loony cacs, are able to slip through with ease.

:ehh: So the free market is in favor of letting nut bags off their meds and people who have proven themselves to be a danger to society purchase and carry around firearms.

:pachaha:Who can argue with that?
 

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:ehh: So the free market is in favor of letting nut bags off their meds and people who have proven themselves to be a danger to society purchase and carry around firearms.

:pachaha:Who can argue with that?
:ufdup:No one said anything about the free market... and the evidence clearly shows that shooting sprees take place overwhelmingly in "gun free zones". It seems even crazy people have enough sense not to pop off where some one else may be armed.
 

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:ufdup:No one said anything about the free market... and the evidence clearly shows that shooting sprees take place overwhelmingly in "gun free zones". It seems even crazy people have enough sense not to pop off where some one else may be armed.
you can't ignore the free market. free market don't wait for no on to invite it into a conversation

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Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns. To the contrary, in many of the cases there was clearly another motive for the choice of location. For example, 20 were workplace shootings, most of which involved perpetrators who felt wronged by employers and colleagues. Last September, when a troubled man working at a sign manufacturer in Minneapolis was told he would be let go, he pulled out a 9mm Glock and killed six people and injured another before putting a bullet in his own head. Similar tragedies unfolded at a beer distributor in Connecticut in 2010 and at a plastics factory in Kentucky in 2008.

Or consider the 12 school shootings we documented, in which all but one of the killers had personal ties to the school they struck. FBI investigators learned from one witness, for example, that the mass shooter in Newtown had long been fixated on Sandy Hook Elementary School, which he'd once attended.

Or take the man who opened fire in suburban Milwaukee last August: Are we to believe that a white supremacist targeted the Sikh temple there not because it was filled with members of a religious minority he despised, but because it was a place that allegedly* banned firearms?

Thirty-six of the killers committed suicide at or near the crime scene. These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack.
Proponents of this argument also ignore that the majority of mass shootings are murder-suicides. Thirty-six of the killers we studied took their own lives at or near the crime scene, while seven others died in police shootouts they had no hope of surviving (a.k.a. "suicide by cop"). These were not people whose priority was identifying the safest place to attack.

No less a fantasy is the idea that gun-free zones prevent armed civilians from saving the day. Not one of the 62 mass shootings we documented was stopped this way. Veteran FBI, ATF, and police officials say that an armed citizen opening fire against an attacker in a panic-stricken movie theater or shopping mall is very likely to make matters worse. Law enforcement agents train rigorously for stopping active shooters, they say, a task that requires extraordinary skills honed under acute duress. In cases in Washington and Texas in 2005, would-be heroes who tried to take action with licensed firearms were gravely wounded and killed. In the Tucson mass shooting in 2011, an armed citizen admitted to coming within a split second of gunning down the wrong person—one of the bystanders who'd helped tackle and subdue the actual killer.
 
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