In all seriousness...WTF was Pac thinking making "Against All Odds"?

[blackestofpanthers]

I agree with everything cept the bolded

A ross stan agreeing that pac is fake

 

[SunZoo]

Aight, I got some excerpts from some of my posts, couldn't pick just one.


As to why he carried the "cross"

This is what i'm always trying to point out in these pac threads that pop up every couple months, nikkas not really seeing the science behind the cover to 7DT and the martyrdom...

These snitches and agents infiltrating Hip Hop from the jump was just new wave cointelpro, and being that Pac is of Panther linage he peeped it and put it on blast, the gangstas that were "controlling" the industry in the background were controlled by the government....this shyt was never meant to be said out in the open, future emcees were never supposed to know the real industry politics or be able to get it for themselves like many are today. Pac knew he was going to die behind this shyt and used the time he had left to be honest about some shyt that was never supposed to go public.

You see that Jay and 50 woulda been next in line for this set up if it weren't for Pac's sacrifice. And look at where they are and how they got there....this is the kind of fukk shyt that would have derailed them.

This is why the martyr symbolism on 7DT is so important IMO, because he was really being put on the cross because he wouldn't shut up when these behind the scenes nikkas tried to give him the behind the scenes treatment...he let the cat out the bag on the politics of the game and how it was all connected.

Remember this is panther lineage we talking about...feds been on Pac's ass since he was a kid, and low and behold he just happens to get into it with some government informants at the height of Hip Hop as a culture. It looks like street shyt to the average nikka but to him it looked like cointelpro, which doesn't sound that far fetched considering how it played out.

Touching more on the panther perspective clashing with street mentality.

once pac pretty knew he was going to die I do feel like he really embodied that martyrdom for the game in general because it was a whole dimension to the rap game that the fans weren't privy too and probably never would be if nikkas kept getting extorted without standing up. He put that behind the scenes shyt on blast, not because he was a snitch but because like you said...these so called "real" street nikkas showed him their hand and their true face during the whole set up...they had NO HONOR.

Pac grew up around the criminal element, panthers could be considered a gang or terrorist group, but these nikkas had a philosophy, a code and ethics.. just like he was trying to bring that panther philosophy and structure to the streets, he was naive to think that these wolves out here cared about any kinda code...I mean look at henchman NOW, telling on EVERYBODY...how do you snitch on a snitch? fukk them nikkas

These type of cats undermined everything about what he felt in his heart could help street nikkas maintain, organize and even amass power outside of the criminal element...he was dead ass right and now it's common knowledge for up and coming artists to know how these execs and street nikkas will do you if you get in bed with them.

Some of the most big time/"realest" nikkas that ever had street fame don't abide by the rules they want you to, against all odds is even more epic now that we uncover more of the truth.

On whether or not Pac dying from the fall out of all of this is an "L".

I'm not going to be the dumb nikka in here cheering "pac won!"

While I think that for most people it's more of a playful/funny sentiment, pac's win really comes along with the fact that as crazy and paranoid as nikkas tried to make him seem, the recent revelations surrounding the shooting, puffy and henchman just make what he was saying that much more potent and really shows why he had the conviction to put his head on the swivel.

As for him being dead...death ain't shyt...Physical death in and of itself is a loss that we all have to take. It's plenty of nikkas still breathing that are dead inside. He was going to die anyway, he at least died saying what he believed to be right ,even knowing before hand that it could get him killed, people like that live lifetimes...25 more years down the line people will still be talking about 2pac, regardless of how you feel about him.

 

[OG Talk]

He told you what he was thinking in the song

"I bring the real, be a legend, breathing or dead"

 

[Taadow]

I'll answer that by asking you a question; the same question he asked you at the end -


What would YOU do, if you were him?

 

[FreshAIG]

The answer is....He was real as fukk. That is why he made that song.

Talking about street shyt in a rap song is not being real. You know who shot you right? Go shoot them. Don't make a rap about it.

 

[Prominence0]

only cacs listen to eminem and pac

Are you snorting bath salts up your nose again?

Go sit your fakkit ass duh fukk down somewhere you roach ass nikka.

 

[Calmye]

for summarizing the threads that been popping up

..... at the last part.

 

[Knicksman20]

Talking about street shyt in a rap song is not being real. You know who shot you right? Go shoot them. Don't make a rap about it.

I'd call it snitching or dry snitching.

 

[SunZoo]

I'd call it snitching or dry snitching.

How do you snitch on a snitch?

These street nikkas don't play by their own rules and regulations most of the time.

 

[Knicksman20]

How do you snitch on a snitch?

These street nikkas don't play by their own rules and regulations most of the time.

That's street ish & not for the public. Talking about the situation is one thing; name dropping is a totally different thing.

 

[Prominence0]

fakkit pac and em have 1 thing in common mainstream pop music that cacs listen to. Do you see cacs listening to biggie you fukk boy

Brah you seriously are one of the most misinformed fakkits ever.

I mean I can't take anything you say seriously, you have a damn gunit avartar.

 

[SunZoo]

That's street ish & not for the public. Talking about the situation is one thing; name dropping is a totally different thing.

If a nikka is working for the feds and still running the streets with immunity his name needs to be dropped.

How you respect street codes in regard to nikkas that's cooperating with police to ruin your life/kill you? And you can die/get killed any moment?

(not at you, but them)

All that code shyt is out the window with them, there's nothing to tell. That song was like his last will and testament and it wasn't intended to get anybody locked up, it was to tell the truth while he still had breath/freedom to speak on it.

Them nikkas had more to fear from other street nikkas knowing they snitching than they did from the police at that point. You see when he brought up Puffy it was "he did some shyt he shouldn't of did/you and I know what's going on". Why them and not him?

When people talk about how Pac wasn't really a street nikka that doesn't mean he was a coward, it meant that he was under the impression due to his upbringing and who he saw gettin it in that nikkas would actually abide by codes and laws.

That's why he was talking about giving up on Thug Lyfe after the quad shyt. He was trying to bring some structure to street shyt like the panthers/gangs initially tried to do. Idealistic yea but that's the model he saw coming up. We policed our own hoods, kept criminal activity where it was supposed to be so the babies could be safe, snitches and nikkas doing unnecessary harm had to go. Seeing these so called "real nikkas" move like that completely broke his spirit on that front.

 

[Choboy]

What you internet nikkas don't seem to understand is there is no honor amongst thieves. You do what the fukk you got to do to survive. And if you really know the story you know only reason why Pac got shot is cuz while getting robbed the nikka went for his pistol. That nikka Pac really was the first to blast, LMFAO at busting shots at nikkas on several occasions but think the nikka was scared to bust on the nikkas that shot him. Some of yall really don't understand the streets fukk my enemies.

 

[STEVE]

who cares, he birthed with this song.

 

[Knicksman20]

If a nikka is working for the feds and still running the streets with immunity his name needs to be dropped.

How you respect street codes in regard to nikkas that's cooperating with police to ruin your life/kill you? And you can die/get killed any moment?

(not at you, but them)

All that code shyt is out the window with them, there's nothing to tell. That song was like his last will and testament and it wasn't intended to get anybody locked up, it was to tell the truth while he still had breath/freedom to speak on it.

Them nikkas had more to fear from other street nikkas knowing they snitching than they did from the police at that point. You see when he brought up Puffy it was "he did some shyt he shouldn't of did/you and I know what's going on". Why them and not him?

When people talk about how Pac wasn't really a street nikka that doesn't mean he was a coward, it meant that he was under the impression due to his upbringing and who he saw gettin it in that nikkas would actually abide by codes and laws.

That's why he was talking about giving up on Thug Lyfe after the quad shyt. He was trying to bring some structure to street shyt like the panthers/gangs initially tried to do. Idealistic yea but that's the model he saw coming up. We policed our own hoods, kept criminal activity where it was supposed to be so the babies could be safe, snitches and nikkas doing unnecessary harm had to go. Seeing these so called "real nikkas" move like that completely broke his spirit on that front.

I understand that bruh. But street ish stays on the street. That's not for the public. I'm not saying this was the case but it felt like Pac was hoping the hip hop police was listening when he made that song. There was no other reason to name drop like that when he didn't have to