In all seriousness...WTF was Pac thinking making "Against All Odds"?

[Sunalmighty]

The answer is....He was real as fukk. That is why he made that song.

That nicca wasn't real. Y do folk keep saying that? He made a MASSIVE mistake and got smoked for it. When keeping it REAL goes WRONG. RIP though

 

[Tha_Mac]

It's still dry snitching what he did. You don't put street business in the public eye. Like I've said in the past; if this was anyone else but Tupac all of you would say the same. Somehow he gets a pass for this

Who was he dry snitching on? And what street shyt was in the song?

I heard he was light skinned, stocky with a Haitian accent
Jewelery, fast cars and he's known for flashing (What's his name???)
Listen while I take you back (nikka SAY HIS NAME!) and lace this rap
A real live tale about a snitch named Haitian Jack
Knew he was workin for the feds, same crime, different trials
nikka, picture what he said, and did I mention
Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time
I know you bytch nikkas is listenin, The World Is Mine
Set me up, wet me up, nikkas stuck me up
Heard the guns bust but you tricks never shut me up

Here we come, gunshots too Tutt, now you stuck
fukk the rap game, nikka this M-O-B
So believe me we enemies, I go against all odds

If this is dry snitching then you don't know what they fukk you talking bout. First set of bars he telling his audience (us) about what happened to him. And the last set of bars he talking directly to whoever Tutt is.

Ya'll nikkas will do anything to try and taint Pac image and legacy. Pac let off shots at the police in ATL. He's known for having an extensive gun collection. He tried to bring knowledge and awareness to the youth of the streets and he wasn't scared to die. Was he a gangsta no but when did being gangsta have anything to do with being real or in Tupac's case the realest.

For those who say his beef with Big was fake. Pac mentioned this in a interview:

 

[Knicksman20]

Who was he dry snitching on? And what street shyt was in the song?

I heard he was light skinned, stocky with a Haitian accent
Jewelery, fast cars and he's known for flashing (What's his name???)
Listen while I take you back (nikka SAY HIS NAME!) and lace this rap
A real live tale about a snitch named Haitian Jack
Knew he was workin for the feds, same crime, different trials
nikka, picture what he said, and did I mention
Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time
I know you bytch nikkas is listenin, The World Is Mine
Set me up, wet me up, nikkas stuck me up
Heard the guns bust but you tricks never shut me up

Here we come, gunshots too Tutt, now you stuck
fukk the rap game, nikka this M-O-B
So believe me we enemies, I go against all odds

If this is dry snitching then you don't know what they fukk you talking bout. First set of bars he telling his audience (us) about what happened to him. And the last set of bars he talking directly to whoever Tutt is.

Ya'll nikkas will do anything to try and taint Pac image and legacy. Pac let off shots and the police in ATL. He's known for having an extensive gun collection. He tried to bring knowledge and awareness to the youth of the streets and he wasn't scared to die. Was he a gangsta no but when did being gangsta have anything to do with being real or in Tupac's case the realest.

For those who say his beef with Big was fake. Pac mentioned this in a interview:

Read all my other posts in this thread & get back to me with your comments

 

[FeloniousMonk]

No I'm not mixed up bruh. You're in denial because it's Tupac we're talking about. Any other rapper gets blasted for dropping names on wax instead of handling their business. It's alright though

Its obvious the streets NOR the public gave a fukk. You cant act like Pac had the force to go after them cats after the Quad shooting. You taking this whole shyt out of perspective, I feel.

And for the record, Cam'Ron got called a snitch from Nas & Jay when he got shot for saying before it happened the guy threw the Roc symbol up.. But nah, Pac's not dry snitching when he drops names on wax about his assailants though

Nas & Jay had beef with Cam...

post videos of rappers blasting Cam at THAT time, that he wasn't beefing with..calling him a snitch..

 

[Miggs]

The GOAT was thinking with his money right it was Time to Go to War

Its funny but a few sources claimed he didnt have much when he passed...Everything he owned was in Death Rows name...

 

[Knicksman20]

Its obvious the streets NOR the public gave a fukk. You cant act like Pac had the force to go after them cats after the Quad shooting. You taking this whole shyt out of perspective, I feel.

Nas & Jay had beef with Cam...

post videos of rappers blasting Cam at THAT time, that he wasn't beefing with..calling him a snitch..

You moving the goal post now bruh.

 

[Mac Casper]

The state of today's fans mindstate if perfectly put on display here

Tupac sat down with Mutulu Shakur and drafted the Code of Thug Life - to put ethics in the game


Dude calls out people he's going to war with on a track of an album that has sold over 30 million copies worldwide and you have the audacity to act like dude did this in secret on some slight of hand shyt - dude called out names on a song? Dude didn't take the stand. Tupac was as thorough as they come. Y'all need to grow up

Police closed the case on the shooting because Tupac was uncooperative . . period

 

[Miggs]

If a nikka is working for the feds and still running the streets with immunity his name needs to be dropped.

How you respect street codes in regard to nikkas that's cooperating with police to ruin your life/kill you? And you can die/get killed any moment?

(not at you, but them)

All that code shyt is out the window with them, there's nothing to tell. That song was like his last will and testament and it wasn't intended to get anybody locked up, it was to tell the truth while he still had breath/freedom to speak on it.

Them nikkas had more to fear from other street nikkas knowing they snitching than they did from the police at that point. You see when he brought up Puffy it was "he did some shyt he shouldn't of did/you and I know what's going on". Why them and not him?

When people talk about how Pac wasn't really a street nikka that doesn't mean he was a coward, it meant that he was under the impression due to his upbringing and who he saw gettin it in that nikkas would actually abide by codes and laws.

That's why he was talking about giving up on Thug Lyfe after the quad shyt. He was trying to bring some structure to street shyt like the panthers/gangs initially tried to do. Idealistic yea but that's the model he saw coming up. We policed our own hoods, kept criminal activity where it was supposed to be so the babies could be safe, snitches and nikkas doing unnecessary harm had to go. Seeing these so called "real nikkas" move like that completely broke his spirit on that front.

You talking about him like you knew him like that fraud Michael Dyson

 

[Miggs]

If a nikka is working for the feds and still running the streets with immunity his name needs to be dropped.

How you respect street codes in regard to nikkas that's cooperating with police to ruin your life/kill you? And you can die/get killed any moment?

(not at you, but them)

All that code shyt is out the window with them, there's nothing to tell. That song was like his last will and testament and it wasn't intended to get anybody locked up, it was to tell the truth while he still had breath/freedom to speak on it.

Them nikkas had more to fear from other street nikkas knowing they snitching than they did from the police at that point. You see when he brought up Puffy it was "he did some shyt he shouldn't of did/you and I know what's going on". Why them and not him?

When people talk about how Pac wasn't really a street nikka that doesn't mean he was a coward, it meant that he was under the impression due to his upbringing and who he saw gettin it in that nikkas would actually abide by codes and laws.

That's why he was talking about giving up on Thug Lyfe after the quad shyt. He was trying to bring some structure to street shyt like the panthers/gangs initially tried to do. Idealistic yea but that's the model he saw coming up. We policed our own hoods, kept criminal activity where it was supposed to be so the babies could be safe, snitches and nikkas doing unnecessary harm had to go. Seeing these so called "real nikkas" move like that completely broke his spirit on that front.

You talking about him like you knew him like that fraud Michael Dyson

 

[Mac Casper]

You talking about him like you knew him like that fraud Michael Dyson

 

[SunZoo]

@ you fakkit nikkas in here negging me and adding nothing to the conversation. My initial post was really for Wally tbh.

You talking about him like you knew him like that fraud Michael Dyson

Nah I'm talking like I paid attention to wtf he was saying, because I was.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

You moving the goal post now bruh.

Just as Nas, Jay and Cam being irrelevant to this situation.

Call it what you want..you actually the ONLY person I ever heard or consider Pac A dry snitch on ANY coast...

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Talking about street shyt in a rap song is not being real. You know who shot you right? Go shoot them. Don't make a rap about it.

You don't draw on nikkaz who have nuclear power if you don't have a nuke yourself.

Nikkaz with that kind of power call meetings & create a dialogue.They sit at the long table and discuss peace treaties.

Knowing that they both have to power to wipe each other out, it's the most logical way of bringing about peace.


Pac was the underdog in this situation.He didn't have a nuke.That's why he teamed up with Suge/MOB Piru.Once he had that "nuke" in his possession, he became emboldened.Thus he dropped Against All Oddz--which was basically a declaration of war.

He just got knocked before he could really stock his war cabinet.I honestly don't think he was afraid of them dudes.

 

[Taadow]

If I was him I wouldn't have put it on wax. I would've kept my mouth shut, plotted & got my revenge on the streets. I'm a patient guy so I would've done my studying on him & his peoples habits for a min then struck when they thought things were sweet.

...and then you woulda got killed for fuccin' with FED chit.

these aren't just local tuffs - these mutherfuccas are connected to FEDERAL AGENTS.
You pop one of them and the problems get worse.

 

[Max Goonberg]

Song was equivalent to a nikka on chow line bout to get lined screaming for COs instead of getting off first