In an absolute stunner Josh Allen has been named MVP over Lamar Jackson despite not making All-pro first team (First time since 1987)

[thelonious21]

Lamar was robbed horribly , JA Should not have been MVP

 

[Supa]

hmmm let's see
Better record

Hmmm let see...

Dolphins, Jets, Pats vs Steelers, Bengals, Browns

Edge Lamar

Not to mention Tucker lost about 3 games.

beat Both #1 seeds each conference (To be real the only team to beat The Chiefs starters all year)

Ok

First player in NFL history to score 6 TDs ( 3 rushing 3 passing) in a game

3 1 yard TD's

Again, shoutout to Joe Brady for stat padding.

They lost that game though.

led his team to over 30 points 8 straight games

led his team to the #2 seed in the conference

Not the 1 so that's not special.

led the league in QBR

Ok

fewest % of negative plays sack rate turnovers

You're reaching deep into that bag

40+ TDs in 5 straight seasons never been done in NFL history

The award is for THIS season. Useless stat...

Most total TD's in his first 7 seasons 263 only Mahomes & Peyton are behind him

Again the award is for THIS season so this is another useless stat. If you thought he was a lock you wouldn't have to resort to this.

Still doesn't trump the 4th best passing season ALL TIME, I think the 6th most rushing yards by a QB all time, and the best dual threat season ALL TIME.

 

[HNIC973]

Hmmm let see...

Dolphins, Jets, Pats vs Steelers, Bengals, Browns

Edge Lamar

Not to mention Tucker lost about 3 games.



Ok



3 1 yard TD's

Again, shoutout to Joe Brady for stat padding.

They lost that game though.







Not the 1 so that's not special.



Ok



You're reaching deep into that bag



The award is for THIS season. Useless stat...



Again the award is for THIS season so this is another useless stat. If you thought he was a lock you wouldn't have to resort to this.

Still doesn't trump the 4th best passing season ALL TIME, I think the 6th most rushing yards by a QB all time, and the best dual threat season ALL TIME.

So all my reasons are useless but yours are valid. You acting like the AFC North was the NFC North. With a healthy Tua Miami is about equal to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati lost to the worst team in our division . The Jets and Browns were equally 🗑. Notice it's about stats now when Lamar doesn't win but last year crickets . Josh elevated his play for a team that was expected to take a step back again 1 other all pro beside himself

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

hmmm let's see
Better record
beat Both #1 seeds each conference (To be real the only team to beat The Chiefs starters all year)
First player in NFL history to score 6 TDs ( 3 rushing 3 passing) in a game
led his team to over 30 points 8 straight games
led his team to the #2 seed in the conference
led the league in QBR
fewest % of negative plays sack rate turnovers
40+ TDs in 5 straight seasons never been done in NFL history
Most total TD's in his first 7 seasons 263 only Mahomes & Peyton are behind him

Nah

You'd be hard pressed to find a year where a QB wins it without breaking a major record, being the top seed or being the "best" QB (all pro). Josh Allen is now one of those rare exceptions.

Bringing up old stuff keeps proving this was really voter fatigue / lifetime achievement.

Sports journalism is so ass.

 

[Shadow King]

only people who had Buffalo taking a step back were idiots who dont actually watch football

they didnt actually lose anybody worth a damn besides Diggs and they had one of the easiest schedules and play in a weak division

the narrative that the Bills are a weak team is bullshyt

they have a top 10 defense and a top 5 offensive line

they have depth at every skill position

the only real weakness on their entire team is CB

You said this like Diggs wasn't the only person Allen was throwing to. You full of shìt if you thought Buffalo was gonna win 13 games with this WR room.

that does not make sense if you are going to use overall team strength as a consideration, you would then have to use the Teams opponents as a consideration

And when you do that Lamar and his Baltimore Ravens played the hardest toughest schedule last season while playing in the overall best division in the entire NFL

So for him and his team to have the overall best record should defeat the purpose of that notion

It does make sense, you can use both. And I'm not sure where you're getting this from anyway.

2023 NFL Strength of Schedule

Look back to NFL SOS rankings for 2023-24 NFL season. See which teams had the toughest and easiest schedules for the 2023 season.

www.sportsbettingdime.com

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-strength-of-schedule-for-every-team-eagles-cowboys-among-hardest-steelers-packers-have-it-easier/

 

[HNIC973]

Nah

You'd be hard pressed to find a year where a QB wins it without breaking a major record, being the top seed or being the "best" QB (all pro). Josh Allen is now one of those rare exceptions.

Bringing up old stuff keeps proving this was really voter fatigue / lifetime achievement.

Sports journalism is so ass.

What major record did Lamar break last season when he won? All of sudden stats matter . Again you coli nikkaz acting like Josh wasn't deserving is

 

[Loose]

So all my reasons are useless but yours are valid. You acting like the AFC North was the NFC North. With a healthy Tua Miami is about equal to Pittsburgh, Cincinnati lost to the worst team in our division . The Jets and Browns were equally 🗑. Notice it's about stats now when Lamar doesn't win but last year crickets . Josh elevated his play for a team that was expected to take a step back again 1 other all pro beside himself

Afc north wasn't good this year, weird year to use the afc north as a argument

Bengals was dog shyt most of the year like the dolphins
Browns worse then the Jets
Pats Browns interchangeable
Steelers all good coaching, don't even have a qb

Ravens lost to the Browns rams and steelers. all inexcusable losses

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

What major record did Lamar break last season when he won? All of sudden stats matter . Again you coli nikkaz acting like Josh wasn't deserving is

Lamar Jackson was all pro first team and a number one seed. Two of the three things I listed. I didn't say he did all three.

Josh Allen did 0 of those things, and is one of the only QBs who has managed this. Ever.

Thanks Emmanuel Acho, Dan Orlovsky, Jim Miller and friends

 

[HNIC973]

Afc north wasn't good this year, weird year to use afc north aa and argument

Bengals was dog shyt most of the year like the dolphins
Browns worse then the Jets
Pats Browns interchangeable
Steelers all good coaching, don't even have a qb

Ravens lost to the Browns rams and steelers. all inexcusable losses

The Bengals beat the fukking Titans, Cowboys, Steelers, Broncos, Browns to even make it to 9-8. Now they were some incredible team . Ravens lost to the Raiders not Rams. The Steelers I can't say that's good coaching anymore at this point

 

[No1]

IDC what it is Josh earned it . I wouldn't been mad if they were Co-MVP. To sit here act like Allen wasn't deserving is Coli delusion at its finest. The Buffalo Bills are not that good without Josh Allen when he struggled, they lost Baltimore & Houston games, The 1st Patriot game they were losing against the fukking Titans 1st half because Allen wasn't on top of his game(defense couldn't stop Mason fukking Rudoph). Allen had a great season so did Lamar but stop acting like Josh didn't deserve that award.

He didn’t deserve the award just because you feel like he did. He didn’t earn it because someone else was more deserving. He was given a sympathy career achievement award. They’ll probably do the same for Burrow next year. Saying someone shouldn’t have won doesn’t mean that he was not great. It just means that someone else had a clear cut better case. You just want your guy to win but stop acting like everyone else is the one straying from the norm - you are. This is something that hasn’t happened in 20 plus years and you’re acting like everyone else is the one in the wrong for being confused while you reach for random facts while failing to explain why precedent should not have prevailed.

That’s why all of you guys standing on this keep talking about his value to HIS team. And that’s what the ESPN commentators said to Dan, this isn’t the MVP of the Bills award. It’s the NFL MVP - and doing what they did just set a crazy precedent just like Nash winning over Shaq and Kobe. It’s going to cause all sorts of weird discussions going forward that don’t need to be had if they just did what they always do. But you got it. I don’t care enough but you’re a better post than you’re displaying in here. It’s unbecoming.

 

[HNIC973]

When Derrick Henry didn't get to 85 yards or 20 carries Ravens were 2-6

 

[Surreal]

Lamar won it last season due to White Guilt

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Also we should skip past the stat based arguments when it clearly isn't about that. You have Acho and Orlovsky admitting Jackson was the better player / better season...but they awarded based on "value"

And because value is much more subjective, they can hide behind semantics to give the award to whoever they want. Memes, hot takes and narratives all the way down.

NFL probably loving all of this drama after a "boring" SB media week.

 

[HNIC973]

He didn’t deserve the award just because you feel like he did. He didn’t earn it because someone else was more deserving. He was given a sympathy career achievement award. They’ll probably do the same for Burrow next year. Saying someone shouldn’t have won doesn’t mean that he was not great. It just means that someone else had a clear cut better case. You just want your guy to win but stop acting like everyone else is the one straying from the norm - you are. This is something that hasn’t happened in 20 plus years and you’re acting like everyone else is the one in the wrong for being confused while you reach for random facts while failing to explain why precedent should not have prevailed.

That’s why all of you guys standing on this keep talking about his value to HIS team. And that’s what the ESPN commentators said to Dan, this isn’t the MVP of the Bills award. It’s the NFL MVP - and doing what they did just set a crazy precedent just like Nash winning over Shaq and Kobe. It’s going to cause all sorts of weird discussions going forward that don’t need to be had if they just did what they always do. But you got it. I don’t care enough but you’re a better post than you’re displaying in here. It’s unbecoming.

Again I never said Lamar wasn't deserving if it was me, they would've been CO-MVP if I had a vote at worst. What I'm saying is Josh had a good case for the award I'm happy he won it, but you got dudes on here discrediting him. It's beyond clear to me that most these dudes on here don't watch Buffalo at all. nikkaz on here acting like they gave the award to Geno Smith or some shyt

 

[HNIC973]

Right...dudes been on like 5 different teams in the last 6 years

That dont exactly scream "all star"

All of WR's missed multiple games to Cooper, Curtis, Keon, Kincaid ect..