In Hindsight, no way Em got Jay on Renegade.

[Suicide King]

that nas line was like something a cac writer at pitchfork would say to not have to be confronted with their white privelage and implicit racism.. watch how these cacs react when any rapper gets pro black. its why PE were shut out eventually or why conscious rap never really took off. people say consciuos rap is boring. i wonder why. or when Scarface said what he said about whites running hip hop, that Miss Info hated on him. the same ho who had black women slapping the sh!t outta eachother on hot 97 slapfest. long as these negros making entertaining music about killing outer negroes its all good. for the record, i like ignorant rap as well but i celebrate the full spectrum of rap. anyway i digress, it was rare black self hatred from the gawd nas who i feel is the goat. but nas was using all type of underhand tactics he had to go there.

Migos and Rick Ross are celebrated. At this point the fans are such idiots, its a losing battle.

I'm just grateful I came up in an era where the music was much better. Its almost April and all we get is a Rick Ross album. Wow, just wow.

 

[Mike Otherz]

Jay been doing the same drug raps for 6 albums straight and a few mixtapes. Are you saying this is Jay's best verse? This is not even Jay's best performance on the album.

Its an okay track for Jay, but I really studied Em's verse. 13 years ago, people were not that easily impressed.

Now, people hype up Migos.

for the record, i loved ems verse and at the time em was my favorite rapper. but as you get older and learn more, there is no way any critical thinking person can think jay diddnt body em on that isht, just from an intellectual and self aware perspective. em was whining on behalf of himself. jay was speaking for black people trapped. it was a first person narrative so of course he put himself in the story but that was as a focal point.

if u want to break it down, em was correct that the media were being hypocrites. but em was an unapologetic homophobe and woman hater, so even in their hypocricy, the media were correct. what jay was talking about to ths day has never been acknowledged by the mainstream media. they rather tell you animals live in the hood and have too many babies and black on black crime and tell you nothing about the laws that sold black people out. from the celebrated New Deal of FDR which only worked cause black people were shut out, to redlining in american cities which denied black people access to the best living spaces, to stealing black wealth from newly migrated blacks from the south and really im just touching the surface. jay telling these cacs every single one of them have blood on their hands and they still wanna talk and use white privelage to look down on rap artists etc. man, that jay verse was dope. maybe the flow want that great but on an intellectual level, thats the tye of ish a conscious rapper would do but would probably bore everyone to death.

 

[Greenhornet]

ive been ignoring these threads forever cause the song is wack

the OG was royce spittin and half of his verse is jay's

 

[Suicide King]

for the record, i loved ems verse and at the time em was my favorite rapper. but as you get older and learn more, there is no way any critical thinking person can think jay diddnt body em on that isht, just from an intellectual and self aware perspective. em was whining on behalf of himself. jay was speaking for black people trapped. it was a first person narrative so of course he put himself in the story but that was as a focal point.

if u want to break it down, em was correct that the media were being hypocrites. but em was an unapologetic homophobe and woman hater, so even in their hypocricy, the media were correct. what jay was talking about to ths day has never been acknowledged by the mainstream media. they rather tell you animals live in the hood and have too many babies and black on black crime and tell you nothing about the laws that sold black people out. from the celebrated New Deal of FDR which only worked cause black people were shut out, to redlining in american cities which denied black people access to the best living spaces, to stealing black wealth from newly migrated blacks from the south and really im just touching the surface. jay telling these cacs every single one of them have blood on their hands and they still wanna talk and use white privelage to look down on rap artists etc. man, that jay verse was dope. maybe the flow want that great but on an intellectual level, thats the tye of ish a conscious rapper would do but would probably bore everyone to death.

Come on, Jay was rapping about being a hustler, that's what the entire Blueprint album was about.

Maybe Jay broke down the struggles of the hood, but not at the level of Nas, Pac, or Cube.

 

[Hammer]

yes he did.

 

[Mike Otherz]

Come on, Jay was rapping about being a hustler, that's what the entire Blueprint album was about.

Maybe Jay broke down the struggles of the hood, but not at the level of Nas, Pac, or Cube.

nas, pac, and cube deal more in that arena than jay no doubt and do it better. thats their forte. but the hood produces all types of people. nas, pac and cube are not hustlers. they are more journalists ( nas), satirists( cube), pac( preacher), and they give you their take on the hood from those persectives. jay is giving you his take on the hood from his perspective, and yes, its a hustler perspective. if 1 million people were trapped in a space where there was nothing and that nothing was done on purpose by the country at large aka white supremacy, what would happen? people would look for ways to survive or to save their community. some would be preachers, some would be journalists, some would be comedians, and some people will do bad things, like sell drugs. of course that person who sells drugs deserves blame. but humans are complex, and there is no guarantee what you will do when desperation calls. we can all be moral and say we will do this but we don't really know. jay is giving u that perspective. he is giving you the perspective of the dude whose will was weak and succumbed to the worst choices. i think that is just as valuable an insight as the person who is more righteous. not better, just a different take.

 

[nairdas]

Seriously, Jay got bodied. Plain and simple. Jay was nice, but Em was

 

[Suicide King]

nas, pac, and cube deal more in that arena than jay no doubt and do it better. thats their forte. but the hood produces all types of people. nas, pac and cube are not hustlers. they are more journalists ( nas), satirists( cube), pac( preacher), and they give you their take on the hood from those persectives. jay is giving you his take on the hood from his perspective, and yes, its a hustler perspective. if 1 million people were trapped in a space where there was nothing and that nothing was done on purpose by the country at large aka white supremacy, what would happen? people would look for ways to survive. some would be preachers, some would be journalists, some would be comedians, and some people will do bad things, like sell drugs. of course that person who sells drugs deserves blame. but humans are complex, and there is no guarantee what you will do when desperation calls. we can all be moral and say we will do this but we don't really know. jay is giving u that perspective. he is giving you the perspective of the dude whose will was weak and succumbed to the worst choices. i think that is just as valuable an insight as the person who is more righteous. not better, just a different take.

From a musical perspective and being a black kid from a poor neighborhood, I listened to Em because I can relate to being frustrated and angry. Being a fan of Cube and Pac, and them going head on with the power structure, that attitude in Em's raps couldn't be overlooked. Jay just did another rap about being a hustler, seemed pretty routine, nothing that I really got excited about.

 

[kingdizzy01]

nas won

 

[RR_049]

this is the type of shyt that happens and will happen every year/half a year .......

 

[McPiff]

OP are you trolling?
i know you're the capo of the "anti camel squad"


either way,
indeed jay destroyed em on this joint but yeah the over hyped flow effect and ether came in and the rest is history

 

[blackslash]

Migos and Rick Ross are celebrated. At this point the fans are such idiots, its a losing battle.

I'm just grateful I came up in an era where the music was much better. Its almost April and all we get is a Rick Ross album. Wow, just wow.

Rick Ross should be celebrated, one of if not the only pro black mainstream artist out hea today

Ur statement should rather say

"Eminem and Macklemore and Kdot are celebrated at this point the fans are c00ns"

But u prefererred Em's verse over Jay's so ur c00n nature has alrdy been shown

 

[atlbound]

damn, I never thought about using the black pride angle to defend jays verse

 

[Pop123]

you see im influeced by the ghetto you ruined, the same dudes you gave nothin i made somethin doing


name an em lyric on his verses as deep as that. that shyt goes into redlining, white supremacy, black agency and survival without preachin. and he did it on a record with a white supremacist rapper who was given superiority by white media. jay subverted the whole em narrative with that verse. yall caught up in the flow though. damn. when u gonna stop looking at pretty shiny things and see the real.

em was mostly ususal whining about media hating him, jay telling you the black experience.

 

[Prae]

5 syllable multi through the entire verse

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with em a minute
Cause, see, they call me a menace and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth, grin and bear it
Now who's the king of these rude, ludicrous, lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Using his music to steer it, sharing his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference: they're saying you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated, disputed, hated and viewed in America
As a motherfukkin' drug addict, like you didn't experiment, nah nah
That's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
And see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrassed
And I got nothing to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fukking do-gooders, too bad you couldn't do good at marriage
And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here
I don't think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go, he's {*Jigga j-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister Mr. Kiss-My-Ass, it's just the

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