In hindsight, Vanilla Ice wasn’t that bad

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Ice could rhyme though.
I think it had to do with him being white and saying "Word to your mother" at the end.
The beat is really dope to actually.
I bet if Ice was black it wouldn't get frowned up on although i think it was a hit mainly cause he's white.
 

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I remember when they used to play that shyt on Saturday mornings on NBC in between Saved By The Bell & whatever other shows they had at the time

I didn’t like anything else he did but I would be crazy to let anyone make me feel like I’ve Ice Baby wasn’t crazy
:manny: Breh was too real to be accepted by cacs today.
Vanilla Ice is the best Cac rapper dont @ me
:manny: Better than that fake junkie fakkit Future.
 

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Fun Fact: Most of us were completely OK with the song "Ice Ice Baby" when it dropped.

HOWEVER... It's the rest of his terrible music and his overall goofball image and personality, along with that fabricated past which was exposed that got him ostracized. Vanilla Ice was DEFINITELY that bad. Terrible in fact, but even the wackest MFs ever can stumble on something decent once.

"Ice Ice Baby" is the song he's most known for, and everything else about Vanilla Ice is TRASH, so by proxy, that song is too considered trash. In truth, it's not but :manny:
 
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The funny thing is that Ice Ice baby was a solid song and most of us didn't have in issue with it in 91. Where it became a problem was 3 things.

-Despite what you think, Rob Van Winkle came from a working class household. He started out as a B-Boy and came out of the battle rap scene. That was a way more grounded and interesting story than the one the record label tried to feed the public. I think him not signing to Def Jam was a major mistake because while he may not have had the commercial success he gained. Russell would have probably taken him a lot more seriously as an artist, it wasn't like he sucked as a rapper and he would have blown off the strength of being white and good looking (nh). Unlike the awkward jewish Beastie Boys or 3rd Bass.

-After being an overnight success he started huffing his own fumes to the point where he started to believe his own hype there pretty much drawing the ire of a hip-hop community that was still pretty young and that a) was big on realness and authenticity and the perception of such and b) Was in the middle of a very Pro Black awakening spearheaded by Public Enemy, X-Clan, Native Tongues etc.

-It was clear he had a ghostwriter because he could never replicate what he did on To the Extreme.

But even with all that I would take him over 75% of the hip-hop out right now.
 

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I don’t know about VI in relation to anyone else but that sample flip, hook & his bars was coming off

He sounded like a BDK fan & if BDK made that song we would still be dancing to it

The shyt was hot b :yeshrug:

Let's not go too far... shyt was not hardly on BDK level, unless we talkin' about the weaker shyt he was making in the early-90s. :huhldup:
 

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The MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice hate was some contrived, forced, tryhard foolishness.

Naaaah, they were trash, bruh.

Hammer was a decent human being so maybe the "sellout" tag was unfounded, but that doesn't make his rappin' any better. IJS.

Vanilla was the epitome of corn.
 
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Let's not go too far... shyt was not hardly on BDK level, unless we talkin' about the weaker shyt he was making in the early-90s. :huhldup:

His flow was patterned after Kane. The idea of it being a good or bad imitation is irrelevant. I’m certain Kane would have been much tighter delivery wise but it still doesn’t take away from the fact that you can tell Kane was an influence on him

“To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal...”

The way he put those bars together while the beat stopped is something totally out of Kane’s playbook.

It’s clear he admired Kane as a rapper.
 
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