In Retrospect, Couldn't The Firm Have Done Big Things?

[Mandizi]

u aquire the knowledge?/my brainwaves cause riots at college/science scholar in this world of violence and dollars

Half-a-mil was a dope Firm affiliate.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Sht was trash considering the talent involved. Both Dre and Nas were in creative bermuda triangles at the time. Dre was trying to transition out of his GFunk faze, while Nas was trying to transition to his escobar flashy style. Neither was comfortable in his own skin, and there were a ton of egos and drama involved.

 

[ArchStanton]

I like some of the album. But the problem is it wasn't a real group effort. You had Foxy solos, tons of guest appearances, Nas lacking on songs. I thought it was a mistake to cut Time as it was one of the better songs from those sessions.

Look at this: the four members were all on 6 songs each. Only one song had all 4 members. Five songs had guest verses. Six of the songs had only one of the members. Those numbers do not equal a good group album. There were 4 interludes and 1 brief song with someone named Wizard (which was kind of nice, but short).

 

[CAVEMAN]

Trackmasterz is the problem -- anything they involve themselves in they rush together sloppily. If they'd taken the time to make sure it was an actual group album it would have worked -- that 1 or 2 members per song shyt & all that filler was just them rushing everything. Still has some classic moments though.

 

[Reggie]

Nas should have been on the album more for one. That alone would have made it better then what it was. But in retrospect most group albums are mediocre and this one is better than that to me plus it moved some units. Pretty sure most groups would be happy with that. But i feel where the thread starter is coming from.

 

[shawntitan]

Nas should have been on the album more for one. That alone would have made it better then what it was. But in retrospect most group albums are mediocre and this one is better than that to me plus it moved some units. Pretty sure most groups would be happy with that. But i feel where the thread starter is coming from.

Supposedly his label limited the amount of songs he could appear on, so it wasn't a "Nas" album...

 

[Demon]

Cormega > Nature

 

[up in here]

I like some of the album. But the problem is it wasn't a real group effort. You had Foxy solos, tons of guest appearances, Nas lacking on songs. I thought it was a mistake to cut Time as it was one of the better songs from those sessions.

Look at this: the four members were all on 6 songs each. Only one song had all 4 members. Five songs had guest verses. Six of the songs had only one of the members. Those numbers do not equal a good group album. There were 4 interludes and 1 brief song with someone named Wizard (which was kind of nice, but short).

basically, it was a compilation album based around group, not a group album (kinda like the Wu-Tang Killer Beez album). and Wizard is Wiz from the Bravehearts, lol.

Supposedly his label limited the amount of songs he could appear on, so it wasn't a "Nas" album...

yep, he was signed to columbia and this came out on aftermath. i think thats basically what killed the movement, because they was all signed to different labels so they all had different contracts they had to oblige by. There's another 4 or 5 Firm songs with Nas but they couldn't legally put em on the album. the album was still commercially successful, it just didn't have enough presence from the main stars to really have the impact people was expecting.

 

[Danny Up]

I enjoyed the compilation. But I was disappointed that it wasn't what it was billed as. This was just a compilation album and not a super group album.

I see a lot of idiots claiming Cormega would've made the album better, but thats bullshyt. Was Cormega gonna force them to make a true supergroup album? Constructed as is replacing Nature with Mega, what really changes? Nothing. IMO, the lbum becomes even worse. Nature shined on that album.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Do you know how many times I heard 'Affirmative Action', 'Firm Biz', 'I'm Leaving' and 'F*ck Somebody Else' on the radio? Not to mention the cats cruising around the 'hood bumping that LP?

I literally can't stand those songs/that album now. Hell, the link to 'Phone Tap' is the first time in three years I've even listened to that track in it's entirety!!
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[Illeye buckmatic]

It was a cool album,but didnt make the impact it should have.
In a perfect world,it wouldve been mainly the three original members,NaS,AZ,and mega. Downgrade foxy to frequent collaborator with only 4 of 5 joints and let nature in on a few.And have dre actually do the majority of the producing. Then let producers with that ny sound fill in the rest such as preemo,rza,largep,qtip,les,pete rock etc. And have a few more realistic songs.

Also cannibus and nore were both

 

[prophecypro]

The album didnt really seperate itself from the pack of Jiggy East Coast LPs of 1997, it was more of the same from that era.
You had Dre, Trackmasters on paper but there wasnt enough Dre (who granted was on the downside pre-Eminem but still). Think there wasnt that much Nas and there wasnt a cohesiveness to the group. Also I dont know if Nature was the right replacement for Mega.
It went Plat but that was expected but I think they were expecting 3-5 mil sold on it.

 

[BeanMan]

that wizard untouchable song is classic... only 1 minute




If the rest of the album sounded like this...

 

[The Dust King]

Do you know how many times I heard 'Affirmative Action', 'Firm Biz', 'I'm Leaving' and 'F*ck Somebody Else' on the radio? Not to mention the cats cruising around the 'hood bumping that LP?

I literally can't stand those songs/that album now. Hell, the link to 'Phone Tap' is the first time in three years I've even listened to that track in it's entirety!!
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so first you contradict yourself (only song u like and then say when did I say that) and now your selling me wolf tickets?

affirmative action and fck somebody else didn't get any radio play. firm biz and I'm leaving were played marginally compared to phone tap. that was the HIT.

I hope you not tryin to give me hot97 stats. if you from somewhere else then maybe they played those joints on the radio like that but I doubt it.

 

[kp404]

This thread again?

The album was just terrible all around...poorly put together, terrible beats and the mafioso lyrics were lame...we wanted another it was written but the project was just a huge disaster....it should've never happened