In Sillicon Valley, 9-5 is for losers

[DEAD7]

What exactly is the outrage about?

 

[Techniec]

This article is stupid and poisonous to young minds

Listen, if you have a great idea, and the skills, drive and capital (or access to) to start your own business, then by all means go ahead and go all in.

But entrepreneurship is NOT for everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with being an employee. There is NOTHING wrong with getting a solid job, working your way up in the company, collecting a stable and consistent paycheque and good benefits, and ideally some semblance of a work life balance.

For some people, the "hustle" is the way to go. For others, this anti employee mentality is just a cover for their own ineptitude.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

This article is stupid and poisonous to young minds

Listen, if you have a great idea, and the skills, drive and capital (or access to) to start your own business, then by all means go ahead and go all in.

But entrepreneurship is NOT for everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with being an employee. There is NOTHING wrong with getting a solid job, working your way up in the company, collecting a stable and consistent paycheque and good benefits, and ideally some semblance of a work life balance.

For some people, the "hustle" is the way to go. For others, this anti employee mentality is just a cover for their own ineptitude.

We can be employees sure...for ourselves. We can't keep begging white people for jobs..We have to create our own business and hire our own.

It does not make sense to work for people who hate you and to continue to build their dreams. We can't keep doing this. We have to do for self. I'm starting my own business because I figured it out. Can't work for white people your whole life expecting everything to be ok with your dignity in tack. It's impossible. My parents worked for the white man their entire lives...and I'm supposed to do the same? fukk NO.

 

[Techniec]

We can be employees sure...for ourselves. We can't keep begging white people for jobs..We have to create our own business and hire our own.

It does not make sense to work for people who hate you and to continue to build their dreams. We can't keep doing this. We have to do for self. I'm starting my own business because I figured it out. Can't work for white people your whole life expecting everything to be ok with your dignity in tack. It's impossible. My parents worked for the white man their entire lives...and I'm supposed to do the same? fukk NO.

bruh I completely understand and agree with what youre saying. But its one thing to have a well thought out business plan, goods/service, identifiable market etc and proceed with a business, its another to just write off 9-5s because you want to "hustle" and "do for self" because that can fukk you...you take a couple years off from the labour market to half ass pursue a business venture only for it to fail and youre back at square one with less money and youre older

Not to imply that's your circumstance, but this isn't as black and white as some would like it to seem

 

[ExodusNirvana]

One of the first things you learn in business school is that most businesses fail within the first year...and in my opinion they probably fail even earlier than that, but it just happens to take a minute for you to really realize "Oh shyt I'm broke!"

And this is mostly because most people have NO CLUE how to start or run a business, nor should they because don't have a unique product, service, or offering with which to make profit.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

bruh I completely understand and agree with what youre saying. But its one thing to have a well thought out business plan, goods/service, identifiable market etc and proceed with a business, its another to just write off 9-5s because you want to "hustle" and "do for self" because that can fukk you...you take a couple years off from the labour market to half ass pursue a business venture only for it to fail and youre back at square one with less money and youre older

Not to imply that's your circumstance, but this isn't as black and white as some would like it to seem

Agreed.

We have to be smart about it and expect failure. We are a resilient people. So we not stopping we not giving up.

 

[Robbie3000]

One of the first things you learn in business school is that most businesses fail within the first year...and in my opinion they probably fail even earlier than that, but it just happens to take a minute for you to really realize "Oh shyt I'm broke!"

And this is mostly because most people have NO CLUE how to start or run a business, nor should they because don't have a unique product, service, or offering with which to make profit.

I would think more so for these app based businesses. Some of these ideas are so stupid, I can't believe they were funded in the first place. shyt reminds me of the internet bubble in the 90s.

 

[Regular_P]

This article is stupid and poisonous to young minds

Listen, if you have a great idea, and the skills, drive and capital (or access to) to start your own business, then by all means go ahead and go all in.

But entrepreneurship is NOT for everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with being an employee. There is NOTHING wrong with getting a solid job, working your way up in the company, collecting a stable and consistent paycheque and good benefits, and ideally some semblance of a work life balance.

For some people, the "hustle" is the way to go. For others, this anti employee mentality is just a cover for their own ineptitude.

No one should have to work 60-80 hours a week or feel the need to take one vacation in 14 years though, which is what the article was talking about.

 

[Master Teacher]

This article is stupid and poisonous to young minds

Listen, if you have a great idea, and the skills, drive and capital (or access to) to start your own business, then by all means go ahead and go all in.

But entrepreneurship is NOT for everyone, and there is NOTHING wrong with being an employee. There is NOTHING wrong with getting a solid job, working your way up in the company, collecting a stable and consistent paycheque and good benefits, and ideally some semblance of a work life balance.

For some people, the "hustle" is the way to go. For others, this anti employee mentality is just a cover for their own ineptitude.

This is the truth, not everyone can be a boss.
Some people think they are bosses and have no idea what a boss is.

Any real boss knows the value of good workers and solid employees, and people like that will always have value.

But if workers allow themselves to be taking advantage of, its on them

 

[Master Teacher]

One of the first things you learn in business school is that most businesses fail within the first year...and in my opinion they probably fail even earlier than that, but it just happens to take a minute for you to really realize "Oh shyt I'm broke!"

And this is mostly because most people have NO CLUE how to start or run a business, nor should they because don't have a unique product, service, or offering with which to make profit.

There's no definitive path to running a successful business.

It's why most people are cut out for it and need to be employed

You have to be able to think on the fly, make adjustments to circumstances, and never fold when they going gets tough.
The only wail to fail in business is to give up entirely

 

[Mowgli]

america is pretty much headed towards 3rd world country status. If you're grinding towards your own business, cool, but if you're grinding for some huge corporation, working yourself to the bone for no additional benefit, you're just being idiotic.

So basically the people working for someone who starts their own business are also stupid. Or arr all new conpanies run by one man

Yalll taking this to far

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Silicon Valley is crazy though with that cost of living You got people making 100K a year there and that is considered low income. Companies bout leave that shyt in tatters and move to Arizona where they gonna raise the cost of living over there and fukk shyt up for the middle class..

I sometimes beat myself up for not being an entrepreneur and running my own shyt but I just don't have an idea that can make money so fukk it. At least I will get a pension when I retire

 

[kevm3]

So basically the people working for someone who starts their own business are also stupid. Or arr all new conpanies run by one man

Yalll taking this to far

If you're working 60 to 80 hours and not getting significantly compensated for it, then yea, very bad move. If I started my own business and I could pay someone to essentially create, maintain and just generally slave away on the product that is making me tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars and all I have to pay them is $80,000 or $100,000 a year, then I absolutely got a steal and they are getting taken advantage of.

If you're going to put in those kind of hours, you better be getting massively compensated, and in reality, if you got the ability to put in that many hours on the regular, you really need to be thinking about starting your own company.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

If you're working 60 to 80 hours and not getting significantly compensated for it, then yea, very bad move. If I started my own business and I could pay someone to essentially create, maintain and just generally slave away on the product that is making me tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars and all I have to pay them is $80,000 or $100,000 a year, then I absolutely got a steal and they are getting taken advantage of.

If you're going to put in those kind of hours, you better be getting massively compensated, and in reality, if you got the ability to put in that many hours on the regular, you really need to be thinking about starting your own company.

Great post.

Check out this video. Dude got laid off and then had the time to start his own business.

We put 60-80 hours a week into building our own we can all have our own business. I'm getting my money up to quit my job and have my own business. 1 step closer to being free.

 

[EndDomination]

I like the author, I read his book last year, very insightful into the tech start up culture, also what I find interesting, is the taking of terms that represent underclass struggles, often through "illegal" activities, and started applying them towards the kinds of things that people who actual "grind" could never really fathom, in the context they are used.

I started noticing this, with the rise of Drake, which may be entirely coincidental, but friends of mine who worked white collar, some were former "hustlers" were saying "grinding" and "hustling" to describe simply working. Anyway, that's a whole aside, the articles scope is larger than that.

Opinion | In Silicon Valley, Working 9 to 5 Is for Losers

I noticed this as well, the term (which fell somewhere between colloquial urban and African-American Vernacular English usage) has jumped from implying illegal or alternative activities to literally anything involving making money. Uber uses it as a part of their ad campaign, and they are quite possibly one of the Whitest companies of all time.

america is pretty much headed towards 3rd world country status. If you're grinding towards your own business, cool, but if you're grinding for some huge corporation, working yourself to the bone for no additional benefit, you're just being idiotic.

America will never be third-world status, large-scale corporations employing huge chunks of the population doesn't mean resources are lost or infrastructure will fail, it just means there is less competition.