In The Age Of AI, Is College/University Still Worth It?

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Just as we'd always known, AI makes people lazy and stupid..
Doctors relying on AI cant diagnose shyt on their own anymore.

The human brain for all its existence has always processed massive amounts of information and that cannot change.
 

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Are people relying too much on AI? That might be a thread. Can you imagine a world where people are too reliant on it and some bad faith person or company feeds it bullshyt and it leads to destruction? AI a tool but man 100% relying on it seems like a bad idea especially if you’re a doctor or some shyt. Imagine you’re at the hospital and you find out your doctor asked ChatGPT how to diagnose your problem. I really think that’s going to be a thing and that’s not good.
 

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'AI can’t install an HVAC system': Why Gen Z is flocking to jobs in the trades​


Enrollment at trade schools is expected to grow 6.6% a year for programs like HVAC and welding.

Emma Ockerman

Updated 5 min read

As AI threatens white-collar workers and hits some college graduates looking for entry-level roles, young people are pouring into blue-collar job training programs.

Before the pandemic, the trade school market “had been largely stagnant,” according to a March report from the higher education marketing and research firm Validated Insights. Now, fall enrollment at trade schools is expected to grow 6.6% a year.

“There’s nothing wrong with blue collar. There’s nothing wrong with getting your hands a little dirty and sweating a little bit, and making a little bit of money in the process,” said David Rames, senior product manager at Midea, a producer of major home appliances like air conditioners and fridges that has teamed up with more than a dozen trade schools to help train upcoming HVAC technicians.

“We don’t have to worry about AI,” he said, “because AI can’t install an HVAC system.”

Trade schools are just one option for people looking to get into work like welding, plumbing, and HVAC installation. Enrollment at public two-year community college programs focused on vocational and trade programs has surged nearly 20% since 2020, compared to a 2.1% increase at public four-year institutions, according to the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center. And registered apprenticeships, where trainees can earn money while they learn, have similarly been on the rise over the past several years.

What’s more, wages in the trades can be comparable to some fields that require a four-year degree without the average student loan debt of nearly $43,000. Last year, the median annual pay for HVAC technicians was nearly $60,000, just below the median wages for all other workers and about the same as the 2023 median annual salary for someone with a degree in the liberal arts. The highest-paid 10% of HVAC workers earn more than $91,000.

And, because there’s a shortage of HVAC workers and high demand for their services, “the price for HVAC contractors has risen greatly,” said Rames.

That’s not the only trade that can pay well, especially depending on the number of hours worked and years of experience gained. Rames noted that after working in the plumbing industry, his son had $55,000 excess cash to park in long-term investments at 22 years old.

“When I tell these kids these stories, their eyes get huge,” Rames said.



Pivoting to the trades​


In a 1,000-person survey from Zety, an online resume templates service, more than half of Gen Z workers said they were seriously considering blue-collar or skilled trade fields. AI, as well as blue-collar jobs’ pay and opportunities, factored into their thinking.

Jasmine Escalera, a career expert at Zety, sees this shift as part of an overall “AI-xiety pivot,” where young people are rethinking their careers and whether a degree is worthwhile. She noted that on top of fears about AI replacing entry-level positions, young people may also be less interested in climbing the corporate ladder and eager to avoid the woes of the jobless college grads they see on social media.

“When it comes to the safe job that will always exist, I don’t know if there are many of those anymore,” Escalera said. “I think a lot of positions are going to be changed due to AI. Whether they will completely disappear, we don’t know.”

Geoff Bell, a HVAC technician with Texas Pride Air Conditioning and Heating, tests the refrigerant levels in an air conditioning unit during a heat wave in Houston, Texas, U.S., August 24, 2023.  REUTERS/Adrees Latif


Geoff Bell, a HVAC technician with Texas Pride Air Conditioning and Heating, tests the refrigerant levels in an air conditioning unit during a heat wave in Houston, Texas. REUTERS/Adrees Latif ·REUTERS / Reuters

Gen Z workers may now wonder why they should go into debt for a bachelor’s degree to join careers that may look drastically different several years from now, thanks to technological advancements.

What feels more certain: “Plumbers will always have jobs,” Escalera said.

A paper this month from Stanford University researchers found there have already been “substantial declines in employment for early-career workers (ages 22-25) in occupations most exposed to AI,” like software engineers, while employment trends for less-exposed occupations like nursing aides were stable or growing.

Entering the field​


Trades jobs aren’t all roses, though. In the Zety survey, 38% of Gen Zers cited “physical labor demands as their biggest hesitation” in going totally blue collar.

Still, young people remain interested. Brandon Milligan, the chief operations officer at StrataTech Education Group, which operates several skilled trade schools, is seeing a growing student population that includes women, recent high school graduates, and even some people switching careers. Overall enrollment was up 7% in July from a year ago.

“Typically, our students are able to start their education journey and, for a relatively low cost compared to traditional education, attend a seven- to nine-month program and immediately get to working,” Milligan said. “It’s very attractive for someone who is not of the mindset to invest four to five years pursuing a bachelor’s degree and … who really wants to work with their hands.”

Their programs, which include HVAC, welding, electrical work, and more, cost about $20,000 to $25,000. The electrical program in particular is very popular, he said.

David McLean, 23, has graduated from StrataTech’s Tulsa Welding School in Jacksonville twice with four total certifications in welding, electrical, HVAC, and solar. Based currently in Virginia Beach, Va., he now works as an electrician installing security systems.

Starting out, electrical work can pay $20 to $30 hourly, he said, but ramps up to $45 and more with experience. McLean’s job is also set to pay him to go back to school to take an online project management course and is helping him with past student loan payments. He expects to be salaried soon.

“The pay is absolutely amazing — and the workload,” McLean said.

With a career in the trades, he’s been able to invest in three properties.

“Electrical will be the reason why I buy my fourth one next year,” he said.
 

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Are people relying too much on AI? That might be a thread. Can you imagine a world where people are too reliant on it and some bad faith person or company feeds it bullshyt and it leads to destruction? AI a tool but man 100% relying on it seems like a bad idea especially if you’re a doctor or some shyt. Imagine you’re at the hospital and you find out your doctor asked ChatGPT how to diagnose your problem. I really think that’s going to be a thing and that’s not good.


it's already a thing.
 

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Commented on Tue Sep 2 04:19:49 2025 UTC

Should you get important medical advice from anything else than a doctor? No.

But also, not sure how much better his chances would have been if he already couldn’t swallow fluids when he asked the LLM or doctor.


│ Commented on Tue Sep 2 04:58:37 2025 UTC

│ Honestly, as a doctor, I’d trust ChatGPT over many of my colleagues. What I’d like to know is what model was he using or how it was prompted. That’s such a basic question it’s basically medical school 101.

│ ChatGPT can definitely get medical questions wrong, but this is ABSOLUTELY NOT the kind of thing it would get wrong. For reference, I just tested it with GPT-5 Instant. My prompt was “Suppose a patient comes in with a sore throat that’s left them unable to swallow fluids for weeks. What is the likely diagnosis?”

│ The answer I got was this:

│ “A sore throat that leaves a patient unable to swallow fluids for weeks is highly concerning and unlikely to be caused by a simple viral pharyngitis. The most likely possibilities include:

│ Malignancy (Throat or Esophageal Cancer)
│ • Progressive inability to swallow (dysphagia), especially worsening over weeks, strongly suggests an obstructive lesion such as oropharyngeal, hypopharyngeal, or esophageal carcinoma.
│ • Associated symptoms may include weight loss, hoarseness, persistent pain, or blood in saliva.”

│ It goes on for a long while, but the first possibility it gives is malignancy and that’s largely because of the difficulty in swallowing fluids and the fact it’s been more than 3 weeks. Also, ChatGPT hasn’t been screwing around with medical advice since at least 3.5, so I doubt it’ll say “you get to roast me if I’m wrong” without specifically prompting.

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│ │ Commented on Tue Sep 2 08:34:31 2025 UTC
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│ │ I asked ChatGPT if my pain was cancer - now I have five years to live
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│ │ There's a screenshot of some of the symptoms (as relayed by ChatGPT) - https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/25/23/101540011-15030049-image-a-67_1756161282787.jpg
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│ │ No pain when swallowing
│ │ No reflux
│ │ No systemic illness
│ │ No weight loss
│ │ Intercostal pain that changed with movement and breathing
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│ │ It all depends on what the original prompt / symptom descriptions were. I typed up your prompt with some of these details and I got the same thing - possible cancer.
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101540011-15030049-image-a-67_1756161282787.jpg

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I got out of a class a few weeks ago where the instructor (a former Army Ranger who is now essentially a legendary HAZMAT instructor with close ties to the EPA and a wife who works at the Pentagon) said that he's seeing recent MIT grads serving him coffee at Starbucks...

Looks like I'm doing 20 in the Navy:francis:.
 
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