In the grand scheme of things. Has Hip Hop helped or hurt the black community?

[Pillmattic]

You listed some great points about the transformation about black culture

Harlem Renaissance was a conglomeration of black talented musicians smoking weed and putting Jazz on the map. Louis Armstrong, Wes Montgomery, Duke Ellington, list never ends.

Beginnings of Rock and Roll we can attribute that to Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Black Rock & Roll first included influences of Gospel. The introduction of the electric guitar transformed the musical landscape in the industry. Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix and many more.

The introduction of rhythm and blues paved the way for Motown and others.

Disco in the 70's gave way to the party, drug and live free era. Not many people know the first disco song is "Soul Makossa" by Manu Dibango of Cameroon (RIP).

The death of Disco would give birth to House Music. In the early 80's, DJ Frankie Knuckles created House in Chicago.

The end of Disco also influenced the birth of Hip Hop. Early rappers in the 80s were party rappers. Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, etc.

Hip Hop culture in general didn't decimate the black community. It was more of the government and the media that used yellow journalism and propaganda to stir up emotional tension of negativity.

The Crack era in the 80s was a era of mayhem, despair and sorrow. The CIA had a hand in this. The DEA had a hand in this. The war of drugs led to a destruction in the black community.

The introduction of Gangsta Rap. The Message came out in 84. Mellie Mell was narrating what was going on in the South Bronx. It's like a jungle.

NWA came out and told stories of what was happening in Compton. Compton was dangerous territory back in the 80s and 90s.

Hip Hop Culture - breakdancing, emcee, turntabling, and graffitiing gave black community a cultural expression. It can be argued these elements aren't practiced today as it once was.

Agree with everything the only thing I’ll add on is alot of ppl don’t realize how cool coke looked in those movies in the 70s (but was unaffordable)
Then in the 80s they made a version that was cool and affordable leading to money crime and death thru out the whole decade that I don’t think is comparable to anything currently (except)

20 years later another very cool drug in the mid 2000s (Lean) which was affordable until these lames blew the spot up and it became unaffordable but there was a smaller cheap alternative to Lean ppl found which was percs then to fent/percs then we’ll….. I hope ppl see where this is going

(I don’t judge I don’t preach I read things and live thru things and tell my perspective) history repeats itself

But again real good follow up and thanks for expanding on my points and painting a way more vivid picture

 

[Pillmattic]

You listed some great points about the transformation about black culture

Harlem Renaissance was a conglomeration of black talented musicians smoking weed and putting Jazz on the map. Louis Armstrong, Wes Montgomery, Duke Ellington, list never ends.

Beginnings of Rock and Roll we can attribute that to Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Black Rock & Roll first included influences of Gospel. The introduction of the electric guitar transformed the musical landscape in the industry. Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix and many more.

The introduction of rhythm and blues paved the way for Motown and others.

Disco in the 70's gave way to the party, drug and live free era. Not many people know the first disco song is "Soul Makossa" by Manu Dibango of Cameroon (RIP).

The death of Disco would give birth to House Music. In the early 80's, DJ Frankie Knuckles created House in Chicago.

The end of Disco also influenced the birth of Hip Hop. Early rappers in the 80s were party rappers. Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, etc.

Hip Hop culture in general didn't decimate the black community. It was more of the government and the media that used yellow journalism and propaganda to stir up emotional tension of negativity.

The Crack era in the 80s was a era of mayhem, despair and sorrow. The CIA had a hand in this. The DEA had a hand in this. The war of drugs led to a destruction in the black community.

The introduction of Gangsta Rap. The Message came out in 84. Mellie Mell was narrating what was going on in the South Bronx. It's like a jungle.

NWA came out and told stories of what was happening in Compton. Compton was dangerous territory back in the 80s and 90s.

Hip Hop Culture - breakdancing, emcee, turntabling, and graffitiing gave black community a cultural expression. It can be argued these elements aren't practiced today as it once was.

One question I have for you I’ve had discussions with some ppl about the art of rapping before hip hop there’s a lot of things ppl point to some ppl consider Gil Scott heron’s the revolution will not be televised one of the earlier less rhyming versions of what would become rap I belive it’s from 1971

 

[Justin Nitsuj]

It was helping til white people came along and made it worse like they do with everything on this planet

Just think about how music went from being positive to being negative. Think about how rappers were teaching the importance of being black and trying to bring black people together to being gangstas, drug addicts and treating black women like sexual objects.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Has GTA hurt or helped the players?

Hip Hop is just a thing. To me a dope thing. I feel that in ways I AM Hip Hop, so for good or for bad, it's just me.

It's just us.

 

[TEH]

How did it help tho and do you think the good it has caused has balanced out the negative effects of it in anyway?

A hip hop head would or
should never ask me this question … fyi … however …

It:
Has given a voice to those who would not have a direct way to express themselves and their communities.
Gave hope and positivity through the 70’s - late 80’s.
Gave a culture to many and a purpose to many more.
Created a way of life / looking at the world from finding hope in blackness in urban environments to remembering the past and appropriating it intro the present.
Has created a way out of poverty for many who would have no other way out … from rappers to DJ’s to Grafitti Artists to Breakers / Dancers and all of their families, friends etc.
Continues to be the primary way black youth can speak to the world and give their direct thoughts to people who would otherwise ignore them.

And countless other ways …

 

[get these nets]

One question I have for you I’ve had discussions with some ppl about the art of rapping before hip hop there’s a lot of things ppl point to some ppl consider Gil Scott heron’s the revolution will not be televised one of the earlier less rhyming versions of what would become rap I belive it’s from 1971

Several earlier traditions fed into what would become rap. Not just one stream.

If you're a Big Daddy Kane fan, listen to the first rap battle he lost .,Big Daddy Kane vs Dolemite,

That signifying style by Rudy Ray Moore is him carrying on another tradition that fed into hip hop. The folklore rhyming storytelling,


NYC brought Black people from different places together,and their oral traditions came together.

 

[CrimsonTider]

It didn’t help or hurt anything it’s just music

Go outside and see if people are actually affected by music

 

[Finesse]

Continues to be the primary way black youth can speak to the world and give their direct thoughts to people who would otherwise ignore them.

The thing is. Honestly as far as mainstream rap goes. Nothing of substance has been spoken of in like 30s years

Last rapper to effectively use this talking point was Pac.

 

[Thanos]

Has GTA hurt or helped the players?

Hip Hop is just a thing. To me a dope thing. I feel that in ways I AM Hip Hop, so for good or for bad, it's just me.

It's just us.

 

[ThatTruth777]

Hip hop needs constraints. This bullshyt messaging it sends out is not sustainable.

 

[Luke Cage]

I would only say it hurt if you can prove to me any other music helped or hurt black people in any way.
Like is music in general that powerful or is somehow hiphop the sole exception?
Why doesn't gospel cancel out the negatives of hiphop? black people listen to gospel too.
Why is it only hiphop affects the community and every other music is just music?

 

[CrimsonTider]

The thing is. Honestly as far as mainstream rap goes. Nothing of substance has been spoken of in like 30s years

Last rapper to effectively use this talking point was Pac.

Pac wasn’t saying shyt people didn’t already know. He wasn’t deep.

You shouldn’t be looking for This from rappers

Turn up or STFU

 

[#1 pick]

 

[4-Rin]

I'll say hurt and I blame the record labels for it

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Nah, y’all are talking about Street Culture mixed with Music Industry Culture. Hip Hop Culture hasn’t been mainstream for 25 years or so.

I was about to disagree, but you're absolutely right.​