In what years did Kurt Angle start to nocticeably decline in ring?

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Perc Angle

Was he really on PEDs?

I've heard him say first-hand that his best work was that on TNA but nobody watched it.

I wish I gave TNA a chance to witness the hype if true.

 

[BlackAchilles]

Was he really on PEDs?

I've heard him say first-hand that his best work was that on TNA but nobody watched it.

I wish I gave TNA a chance to witness the hype if true.

Bullshyt, his best work was from his Werestlemania 17 match with (redacted) to his 21 match vs HBK

His goody two shoes gimmick was one of the last really great heel runs in WWE IMO

 

[BlackAchilles]

Edit: Dbl mods delete

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Bullshyt, his best work was from his Werestlemania 17 match with (redacted) to his 21 match vs HBK

His goody two shoes gimmick was one of the last really great heel runs in WWE IMO

Kurt said that almost verbatim on Stone Cold's podcast.

I don't think he meant his most successful work but more so his most prolific, there's a difference.

He should've never returned to WWE in the form of a performer because in my eyes he has tarnished his legacy.

 

[BlackAchilles]

Kurt said that almost verbatim on Stone Cold's podcast.

I don't think he meant his most successful work but more so his most prolific, there's a difference.

He should've never returned to WWE in the form of a performer because in my eyes he has tarnished his legacy.

I'm sure he said it, and I'm sure his perception of his work then was inflated by the liquor and pills

He may have felt like a God, but the tape shows matches that were more spot driven and less psychologically sound than his work from the years I mentioned

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

I'm sure he said it, and I'm sure his perception of his work then was inflated by the liquor and pills

He may have felt like a God, but the tape shows matches that were more spot driven and less psychologically sound than his work from the years I mentioned

I like the way you put it. I believe you.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

His best work was in TNA. He was putting on clinics, spots or not.

His matches always had this “psychology” and told “stories”

Maybe some aren’t a fan of them stories and prefer “punch, punch, kick, rope throw, drop down, hip toss, rest hold, reverse, headlock, rope break, chop, clothesline, rope throw, drop kick, pin, kick out, kick, repeat”

But that shyt kinda gets old

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

His best work was in TNA. He was putting on clinics, spots or not.

His matches always had this “psychology” and told “stories”

Maybe some aren’t a fan of them stories and prefer “punch, punch, kick, rope throw, drop down, hip toss, rest hold, reverse, headlock, rope break, chop, clothesline, rope throw, drop kick, pin, kick out, kick, repeat”

But that shyt kinda gets old

You're like the rain man.

You broke that shyt down to the atom.

 

[BlackAchilles]

His best work was in TNA. He was putting on clinics, spots or not.

His matches always had this “psychology” and told “stories”

Maybe some aren’t a fan of them stories and prefer “punch, punch, kick, rope throw, drop down, hip toss, rest hold, reverse, headlock, rope break, chop, clothesline, rope throw, drop kick, pin, kick out, kick, repeat”

But that shyt kinda gets old

Yeah cause thats totally what his matches in WWE were like

He had clinics in early 00's WWE that brought an absolutely necessary degree of credebility in response to the meteoric rise of UFC- without the no-selling mark for himself "wrestling machine bullshyt"

- He and (redacted) brought chain/mat wrestling back to WWE in their feud

- Helped Edge get over in singles before his neck injury

-Great match at Mania 20 vs Eddie

-Mania classic vs HBK at 21

But yeah that shyt was all strikes and rest holds

 

[Bryan Danielson]

You're like the rain man.

You broke that shyt down to the atom.

I don’t mind the so called “spot wrestling” cuz atleast it keeps my attention and my eyes glued to the tv.

But when cats start slowing it down or getting too slow like they lazily “going through the motions” and sleepwalking through it.

That’s when I begin to start paying less attention to it browsing the net on my Mac, checking my phone.... the coli shyt, IG, or other shyt. Only occasionally looking up to see what’s going on like every 5 mins or so.

They action should be spectacular and not

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

I don’t mind the so called “spot wrestling” cuz atleast it keeps my attention and my eyes glued to the tv.

But when cats start slowing it down or getting too slow like they lazily “going through the motions” and sleepwalking through it.

That’s when I begin to start paying less attention to it browsing the net on my Mac, checking my phone.... the coli shyt, IG, or other shyt. Only occasionally looking up to see what’s going on like every 5 mins or so.

They action should be spectacular and not

I took a break from wrestling when stone cold and the rock left in 2003 and 2004 and only returned in 2010/11 when CM Punk was the shyt and lost interest again when he left. For me the wrestling is secondary and the gimmick is primary to keep my attention which is why the Attitude Era was so great except they could wrestle properly too and not just gimmicks like it was the case in the 80s and early 90s. Now all the wrestlers can wrestle but have no redeemable qualities about them. They are just manufactured gimps for Vince's ego.

Half the roster from 1998 cannot outperform the "WWE Universe Superstars" physically but they were 100% more entertaining.

WWE needs a new chairman and Stephanie or Paul Heyman should take the reigns together more so the latter.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Yeah cause thats totally what his matches in WWE were like

He had clinics in early 00's WWE that brought an absolutely necessary degree of credebility in response to the meteoric rise of UFC- without the no-selling mark for himself "wrestling machine bullshyt"

- He and (redacted) brought chain/mat wrestling back to WWE in their feud

- Helped Edge get over in singles before his neck injury

-Great match at Mania 20 vs Eddie

-Mania classic vs HBK at 21

But yeah that shyt was all strikes and rest holds

I won’t deny that he had great matches with HBK, Eddie, Benoit, Edge and a handful of others.

But he also had great matches with Samoa Joe, AJ, Roode, Lashley, Jay Lethal, Sting and so on And they let it all hang out vs that protected “don’t do too much” WWE style

I don’t know what else to say, the man did say it himself that he had a better career in TNA. His words and no one else’s

 

[Rell84shots]

I truly find it interesting that his whole gimmick is being the GREATEST wrestler ever, but he wasnt anywhere close to it.

Easily one of Michaels' worst mania matches too

 

[prophecypro]

Thats interesting some of y'all think it was 04-05 when arguably that and the start of TNA was when many still thought he was great

I dont know, I didnt pay attention to much to his TNA run but when the few matches and indie dates he did he looked okay. For me it was when he came back to WWE everything seemed off

 

[prophecypro]

Wait now theres people who think Angle vs Michaels wasnt good?