In your opinion, why is Jay Z so popular and successful?

[Art Barr]

That "Make another Hov" line is lame. Tell Jay-Z to create Rocafella Records again Have a legendary label in its prime, dominating the industry. Not that Roc Nation bullshyt. Have two legendary crews like Dip Set and State Prop signed to your label. Have a gold selling artist like Beanie Sigel thats respected throughout the industry. Have a platinum selling artist like Cam. Have a superstar rapper in the wings like Kanye West. Tell Jay-Z to go do that

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art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Nas fcked with alot of the bigger new stars even moreso than Hov at the 2004-2008 time period...and i could say the same now...

Hov only had 3 features on his latest release..
1 with his long time friend Justin Timberlake
1 with Nas..another long time friend
and Rick Ross who's group has business ties with Roc Nation

The hottest rappers out rii now are Drake and Kdot..neither of em showed up on the album

Again like i said what are these trends he hopped on and please specify them, that he hopped on that separates him from other artists who collab with newer hotter artists(ie: Nas)

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his past features with drake and k dot.
shyt, i am not that hip to grammy wins.
yet, i think he won a grammy with drake, pn bpiii
he argueably is on the highest spun rap song on the airwaves domestically with k dot.
those features created his new draw artist permeation to give him credence to release his new record.

how did you miss those,.......


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Meek mill
Rick ross
Chris brown
Lil wayne
Tyga
Wale
Nicki Minaj
Young jeezy
e.t.c.... are all mainstream artists Nas has worked with over the past 3-4 years alone, he's done more of these features than Jay if anything.

Man, stop trying to paint Nas as something he isn't. This is the problem a lot of people have with Nas die hards, let the dude live, you have this image of him in your head as this hip hop holier than thou that doesn't wan't anything to do with those dirty evil mainstreamers, he's anything but that though. It's cringeworthy sometimes.

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art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Looks at Nas albums, topics, features and such. The dude hasn't been mainstream friendly for ages.

The closest thing he got to mainstream was nastaudamus and thats was about it.

nas is the equivalent of the culturally associated pop artist with a mainstream sentiment.
every genre has an artist like this and nas is rap's version of that.

how have you missed that...
it is nas's draw to one minute cling onto cultural relevency in falsehood.
then, the next to pull a jiggy hate me now moment and pander to the culture after to save face.

how have you missed that,..
it has been going on for close to twenty years, now.
come 2014, from the one love rnb remix single.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Nas hasn't tried to hit the mainstream ever since nastradamus.

Nas came in with his storytelling lane saying his views on everything staying away from the lane of money cars and hos. He was the one standing out from the rest and saying hip hop was dead while jay followed the crowd with his usual shyt.

Jay jumped into biggie and puffy and rides off of biggie even after he was gone, he also jumped onto Swiss beatz as well and went or the usual money cars and hos topic and even made a label amd rode on dame dash and not to mention he married beyonce of all people. All of this was him riding on trends.

Don't even bring up pac when 2pac wasn't riding the mainstream lane as much as jay.

only difference between nas and jay with swizz in 98 is.
jay knew how to make a swizz track permeate, and nas did not.
one of nas's best records ever and definately his best popular producer record from that era is a swizz record.
it is one of my favorite nas records, ever.

nas: nikkaz, salute me,...bytches salute.. you salute me,..i'm the motherfukking general.

that is a swizz banger with cuss'n on the hook.
that did not permeate because it was a white label turned single that never drew.

jay, took swizz bangers and got better everything business wise.
plus, placement as the lead banger on the ruff ryders with jigga my nikka.
while also lifting his own artist bean's skillset, and used it to draw.

jay just executes better from a mainstream based draw than nas does.
yet, nas makes exactly the same moves if not more than jay.
they just do not draw because nas has a culturally based draw.
that will typically cancel out his jiggy/pop/mainstream attempts and ideals to draw.

both him and jay do the same sellout shyt.
nas's sellout shyt is worse because he comes from a foundation that he knows better.
jay comes from a will smith sellout base,..so you already know from off top what the demo is.

so, jay will not pander to the culture in the same vein that nas does.

art barr

 

[blackslash]

backslash,...
his past features with drake and k dot.
shyt, i am not that hip to grammy wins.
yet, i think he won a grammy with drake, pn bpiii
he argueably is on the highest spun rap song on the airwaves domestically with k dot.
those features created his new draw artist permeation to give him credence to release his new record.

how did you miss those,.......


art barr

Nah..i didnt forget..but the remix doesnt even get half the radio spins the original gets

The remix isnt bein pushed as a single

Jay gettin on that song only seems like a big deal to most people because Hov being on your song is a big deal

There was hardly any promo for this remix except guru playin a snippet of it live at a concert

As for Drake Jay has maybe 2 collabs with him...a hook from him in 2009 and he features and one of his album cuts in 2010

Key thing here is..there was little promo with his collab so the collabs would mean diddly squat if it wasnt Jay

Nas was on C4, a cd that went plat first week

And we're not even taking to account the heavy Nas feature game Nas had in the 04-08 period

 

[How Sway?]

I've heard the "DOnt kill my Vibe"remix on the radio WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than the OG version...

 

[Reggie]

Jay is smart as hell for one not to mention talented too. He seems like he has an active mind and is always thinking about the next way to make some money. That's what a hustler and go getter does especially if he has the means to use one outlet to lead to another. Selling drugs led to rapping which led to endorsements and connects which led to NBA affiliation which led to sports agencies. He uses one venue to lead to another that he thinks it will increase his profile and pockets too. How he is able to still be relevant musically with this current generation is amazing and something we probably won't see again. Plus he has all his fans in the 90's who have grown up but will always support him. From writing books to doing collab albums with Linkin Park to having his own shoe line and clothing line Jigga is always recreating himself and keeps himself in the spotlight. His work ethic has to be admired and commended.

 

[Blackout]

only difference between nas and jay with swizz in 98 is.
jay knew how to make a swizz track permeate, and nas did not.
one of nas's best records ever and definately his best popular producer record from that era is a swizz record.
it is one of my favorite nas records, ever.

nas: nikkaz, salute me,...bytches salute.. you salute me,..i'm the motherfukking general.

that is a swizz banger with cuss'n on the hook.
that did not permeate because it was a white label turned single that never drew.

jay, took swizz bangers and got better everything business wise.
plus, placement as the lead banger on the ruff ryders with jigga my nikka.
while also lifting his own artist bean's skillset, and used it to draw.

jay just executes better from a mainstream based draw than nas does.
yet, nas makes exactly the same moves if not more than jay.
they just do not draw because nas has a culturally based draw.
that will typically cancel out his jiggy/pop/mainstream attempts and ideals to draw.

both him and jay do the same sellout shyt.
nas's sellout shyt is worse because he comes from a foundation that he knows better.
jay comes from a will smith sellout base,..so you already know from off top what the demo is.

so, jay will not pander to the culture in the same vein that nas does.

art barr

Who got more songs about money, hos, and cars?

That's right jay. You combine that with mainstream artists and you got the right track to cater to the mainstream. Jay doesn't even stop at a few songs he dedicates most of the albums to that shyt.

As long as that is true nas can never even come close to catering to the mainstream as much as jay has.

 

[Brady-Carter]

Leveraging ones talents...

 

[The Hovering Heed]

Hov best move was accepting the challenge of going his seperate ways from Dame. Beyonce was best for his dyck [pause] and wifing....but not for his career...Hov is able to rip a hole in the wall spot in BK and then go smash a non-rap friendly festival like Glastonbury, solo without his wife. Beyonce don't need Hov and vice versa




The media is full of shyt. However, to minimize a dude's accomplishment as he "just" owning OR his partners does all the work is a damn shame. The constant variable in both business moves are Hov who is getting opportunities that "more popular" rappers today, are not. It gotta be more than the chorus, they respecting his mind now

Was Hov able to do these non-rap friendly event pre Beyonce?
Beyonce was way bigger internationally and nationally pre Jay-z , even 50cent was more known internationally with 2 albums.
So it wasn't vice versa back then.
Splitting up with dame doesn't even beat the "Retire, black album, fade to black dvd" combo.

How is the media full of shyt?

Saying he owns 15% of 1% isn't minimizing his accomplishment, it a fact . And its still an accomplishment to the norm, but the media exaggerates on owning the Nets.

Jay-Z is brilliant. There are no flaws in my original post + this one.

 

[Teko]

Was Hov able to do these non-rap friendly event pre Beyonce?
Beyonce was way bigger internationally and nationally pre Jay-z , even 50cent was more known internationally with 2 albums.
So it wasn't vice versa back then.
Splitting up with dame doesn't even beat the "Retire, black album, fade to black dvd" combo.

How is the media full of shyt?

Saying he owns 15% of 1% isn't minimizing his accomplishment, it a fact . And its still an accomplishment to the norm, but the media exaggerates on owning the Nets.

Jay Z is brilliant. There are no flaws in my original post + this one.

I don't think anybody has exaggerated his ownership in the Nets, its just the haters who like belittling it by pointing it out like nobody else knows. It was reported from the start that the investment was about $[5 to 10] million. At the end of the day, the whole situation was a win win for all parties, moreso the Nets because the brand is now more well known across the world without them having a mega superstar player; thats how the majority owners always wanted it to be.

Btw, 15% of 1% is 15 basis points which amounts to about $750,000 to $850,000 on current valuations (peak) which is far less than what the investment was. He mentions $10 million on FUTW (1% of $1bn) so don't spew 15bps like its a fact, its not.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Was Hov able to do these non-rap friendly event pre Beyonce?
Beyonce was way bigger internationally and nationally pre Jay-z , even 50cent was more known internationally with 2 albums.
So it wasn't vice versa back then.
Splitting up with dame doesn't even beat the "Retire, black album, fade to black dvd" combo.

How is the media full of shyt?

Saying he owns 15% of 1% isn't minimizing his accomplishment, it a fact . And its still an accomplishment to the norm, but the media exaggerates on owning the Nets.

Jay-Z is brilliant. There are no flaws in my original post + this one.

So Jay-Z got gigs because of who he's fawking and not because of his catalog of music and popularity?
Media is bullshyt because money drives it, so the info that is spread usually comes from those with deeper pockets
You are mentioning his ownership to support your ridiculous argument that he's overhype, has exaggerated success, and used Beyonce's popularity for his shine. Recall, 50cent was the only rapper to successful help most of his team's member to sell platinum. So that suggest that an artist who is co-signed/affiliated with a popular artist, will not guarantee success for their projects

 

[Teko]

So Jay-Z got gigs because of who he's fawking and not because of his catalog of music and popularity?
Media is bullshyt because money drives it, so the info that is spread usually comes from those with deeper pockets
You are mentioning his ownership to support your ridiculous argument that he's overhype, has exaggerated success, and used Beyonce's popularity for his shine. Recall, 50cent was the only rapper to successful help most of his team's member to sell platinum. So that suggest that an artist who is co-signed/affiliated with a popular artist, will not guarantee success for their projects

Nikkas acting like Jay Z is some Kevin Federline. His last 2 albums sold better than Beyonce's albums. What happened to Nelly and Ashanti? Nas and Kelis?

In all the examples of success, Jay Z is the only constant. From Rocawear beng sold at Macys, Sale of Rocawear, the Heineken deal, Budweiser, Reebok, Samsung etc. The haters always have to try hard to say its somehow attributed to someone else

 

[JasonSJackson]

Envy