India Shuts down Internet in protest for New Citizenship Law

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I can't do my job without the internet, I wonder how the economy even functions



On a side note I'm surprised these fascists and strongmen that keep popping up all over the world aren't being taken out
 

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Watching the direction india has been going has been interesting, and extremely frightening. After they quash the opposition to their citizenship ban, I’m wondering if the emboldened government and an enraged Pakistan escalate their tensions. My money is on those two starting the next world war, or at least major war.
 

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Some of these places we're talking 4-5 months straight.

This has to have far reaching affects on qol. Not just because the internet is down, but I imagine there has to be concerns with development in general knowing you could be without.


Entire industries in the US would be down. :mjlol:
 
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I can't do my job without the internet, I wonder how the economy even functions



On a side note I'm surprised these fascists and strongmen that keep popping up all over the world aren't being taken out

1. Most jobs today are intertwined with online services so it would crush whole industries down..

2. :usure: on your sidenote.
 

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FYI, the shutdowns are varied. Sometimes they only target certain districts, sometimes entire states. The one time that I've been there during a shutdown it affected all mobile services (they even shut down text messaging) but not all landlines were shut down. Thing is the vast majority of Indians, especially non-wealthy ones, only have mobile internet so it affect most people the same way a shutdown would.

You don't think about all the things that rely on internet until it goes. When there's an emergency, you can't look up any information (like where the nearest hospital is or what to do in case of poisoning). You can't contact anyone outside of the country. You can't use Uber or any other service that relies on internet. No maps either. No way to look up a phone number if you don't already have it saved. People couldn't recharge their cell phones because the mobile phone dealers relied on internet for recharge, so the people who ran out of minutes during the shutdown had no way to communicate at all. Imagine it's the middle of the night and your baby is sick and you don't know whether you should take her to the doctor or not....all of the sudden your options for information are vastly limited.

It's a bit frightening, and the way the governing party is doing it unilaterally, at their whim, in many cases preemptively, definitely has a fascist feel to it.
 

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Watching the direction india has been going has been interesting, and extremely frightening. After they quash the opposition to their citizenship ban, I’m wondering if the emboldened government and an enraged Pakistan escalate their tensions. My money is on those two starting the next world war, or at least major war.
I keep hearing people say this but I actually think much the opposite.

India's current ruling party was famous during British rule for being the ones who were slow-playing independence, who were the least willing to get on board with the program to kick the British out completely. The stereotype was that they didn't actually care so much about independence from the British, they only cared that their sect maintained power and control over what they had. Even the oppressive/powerful guys at the top don't necessarily have that imperialist mindset, they don't wish to rule the world, they wish to be lords of their domain. Notice how Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh are all comparatively tiny nations right there next to India, yet none of them have ever been threatened by India. Compare that to Mexico, the Central American nations, the Caribbean nations, all of which have been almost continually harassed by the USA for the last 100-200 years.

I think that the ongoing Pakistan conflict is only going to be played for internal objectives. They'll escalate if they need to increase nationalist feelings and distract from shyt at home. But they have no desire for actual war or anything that could threaten them (nor does Pakistan for that matter). They already feel they have a big enough country to control, what they want is total control over it. If nothing changes, you'll just see them pushing to get away with more and more internally until they totally driven out all opposition (which many of them openly state are Muslims, Christians, Secularists, and Communists) and work towards something approaching one-party rule.
 

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I keep hearing people say this but I actually think much the opposite.

India's current ruling party was famous during British rule for being the ones who were slow-playing independence, who were the least willing to get on board with the program to kick the British out completely. The stereotype was that they didn't actually care so much about independence from the British, they only cared that their sect maintained power and control over what they had. Even the oppressive/powerful guys at the top don't necessarily have that imperialist mindset, they don't wish to rule the world, they wish to be lords of their domain. Notice how Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh are all comparatively tiny nations right there next to India, yet none of them have ever been threatened by India. Compare that to Mexico, the Central American nations, the Caribbean nations, all of which have been almost continually harassed by the USA for the last 100-200 years.

I think that the ongoing Pakistan conflict is only going to be played for internal objectives. They'll escalate if they need to increase nationalist feelings and distract from shyt at home. But they have no desire for actual war or anything that could threaten them (nor does Pakistan for that matter). They already feel they have a big enough country to control, what they want is total control over it. If nothing changes, you'll just see them pushing to get away with more and more internally until they totally driven out all opposition (which many of them openly state are Muslims, Christians, Secularists, and Communists) and work towards something approaching one-party rule.
This is all from the perspective of “rational” actors in government leadership. The power/threat of Islamic nationalists (terrorists networks) in Pakistan lends to these actions by India, and more Hindu nationalist government, heightening the instability between the two nations. I fully see an outcome where some terrorist cell in Pakistan gets their hands on a nuke or other ballistics and launches an offensive...will it happen tomorrow, probably not, but if India keeps going the way it is, these hardline attitudes between the two nations will escalate conflict.
 

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I keep hearing people say this but I actually think much the opposite.

India's current ruling party was famous during British rule for being the ones who were slow-playing independence, who were the least willing to get on board with the program to kick the British out completely. The stereotype was that they didn't actually care so much about independence from the British, they only cared that their sect maintained power and control over what they had. Even the oppressive/powerful guys at the top don't necessarily have that imperialist mindset, they don't wish to rule the world, they wish to be lords of their domain. Notice how Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh are all comparatively tiny nations right there next to India, yet none of them have ever been threatened by India. Compare that to Mexico, the Central American nations, the Caribbean nations, all of which have been almost continually harassed by the USA for the last 100-200 years.

I think that the ongoing Pakistan conflict is only going to be played for internal objectives. They'll escalate if they need to increase nationalist feelings and distract from shyt at home. But they have no desire for actual war or anything that could threaten them (nor does Pakistan for that matter). They already feel they have a big enough country to control, what they want is total control over it. If nothing changes, you'll just see them pushing to get away with more and more internally until they totally driven out all opposition (which many of them openly state are Muslims, Christians, Secularists, and Communists) and work towards something approaching one-party rule.

How does Khasmir fit into this equation?
 

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This is all from the perspective of “rational” actors in government leadership. The power/threat of Islamic nationalists (terrorists networks) in Pakistan lends to these actions by India, and more Hindu nationalist government, heightening the instability between the two nations. I fully see an outcome where some terrorist cell in Pakistan gets their hands on a nuke or other ballistics and launches an offensive...will it happen tomorrow, probably not, but if India keeps going the way it is, these hardline attitudes between the two nations will escalate conflict.
The thing is, for the most part both nations DO have rational actors in charge. The actual people running the show aren't fanatics, they're just taking advantage of fanatics in order to wield power. Neither nation desires to do anything self-destructive, the problem is that neither actually cares about the welfare of a large proportion of their population either.

Of course if a terrorist on either side somehow gets a nuke (extremely unlikely in Pakistan, I'd say more likely to come from North Korea or even Russia), then all bets are off. But that would be true regardless of who was in power.

And I should be clear - there ARE fanatics in important positions in government, they just aren't the ones calling the shots at the top. If either side is suicidal enough to put the actual fanatics in charge then it's hard to say what will happen. But I still think that even the actual fanatics are more concerned with "purifying" their own nations than starting wars with others.



How does Khasmir fit into this equation?
I don't know anyone on the inside inside enough to understand exactly what the government is trying to do with these Kashmir moves.

The most superficial answer is that so long as Kashmir had a form of protection and couldn't be touched by the rest of India in some ways, it was a limit on Hindu power in the country. So you remove those protections, put them under further control of the federal government, allow outsiders to buy up their land and begin to displace their population, and you work to have just as much control over Kashmir as you have over the rest of the country.

A different and equally likely answer is that it was pure red meat for their voter base. Their most radical supporters wanted to annex Kashmir into the rest of India and "take their land and their women" as many openly said, and so the government delivered. Escalating sectarian tensions has always been a great election move for them and so they have no fears of the political repercussions. Before their biggest fear was juggling their sectarian supporters and their business world supporters (sort of like the Republicans juggle a social issues base and an economic issues base). They didn't want to appear too focused on the pro-Hindu stuff out of fear of losing the voters who were just there for the business/economic stuff. But they've been so successful on the sectarian issues, while the economy isn't delivering, that they appear to have just said, "fukk any appearance of going too far" and are betting all-out on the sectarian issues.

Both answers are probably correct.
 

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I assume places like Bangalore weren't impacted due to them being hubs for outsourced tech labor.

The shutdowns in this case were down on a district-by-district level. I don't think Bangalore was shut down.

This article gets into some more of the difficulties the shutdowns cause. They mentioned one thing I forgot - all OTP services are fukked during a shutdown. So if you're trying to get train tickets, even if you manage to get online somewhere and buy the tickets online (or get someone else in a different part of the country/world to log in and buy the tickets for you), you STILL can't buy the tickets because the OTP won't be sent to your phone since all messaging was turned off.

Besides OTP stuff, people also lost online billing, online payments, online food deliveries, online cab booking, online tech support for individuals and businesses both, and a lot of other business services or other shyt that relied on anything stored in the cloud. Not to mention, like I said before, anyone who relied on the web for information or phone numbers or mapping/addresses any other contacts. It guesses that each of the major telecom companies were taking 15 million rupees a day in losses per state, and that's just one industry.

Internet Shutdowns Amidst NRC-CAA Protests Are Crippling E-Commerce, Fintech & SaaS Sectors In India
 
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