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I never said "we don't know". Maybe I worded it incorrectly. We know that the infinite exists, but we since we can't experience endlessness or measure it, we have to use our mind to represent it to ourselves.
"Infinity" as a concept is just a fantasy.
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I never said "we don't know". Maybe I worded it incorrectly. We know that the infinite exists, but we since we can't experience endlessness or measure it, we have to use our mind to represent it to ourselves.
Infinity can exist to a phenomenon that is constantly expanding. For the notion of “space is infinite” let’s look at it (I’m not saying space is infinite, I don’t knowI’m just talking about the concept and the words):
You are using space as a fixed “thing” but you should look at space like an event.
It’s an event that is going to keep growing/expanding/“going” forever.
So there is no end point. There are no boundaries, it’s size is unable to be determined because it is constantly expanding. Therefore it’s infinite in size. The ability and time it takes to quantify the size is slower than the rate of expansion
Here we GO!
The idea that the universe expands forever is one concept..
But there's other ideas that I think are better which point to the Big Crunch. The expansion reverses, everything falls back into the Singularity, then Big Bangs again
Closed loop.
Finite results. The expansion does not go on forever. It reaches a max value.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say.
Probably bc you have it backwards if you think I need to provide answers. No, YOU need to answer since you said infinity doesnt existFinite = measurable, which = answers.
So, you tell ME how much solar energy we have ? How much oxygen supply exists? What is the measure of, idk…. WIND. Give me numbers Finity man
I am not gonna do your Google Fu for you. There is ABSOLUTELY a value for the amount of energy from the Sun, the amount of Oxygen (on Earth AND in the entire galaxy AND in the known Universe) and whatever detail you choose to measure.
See above. There is absolutely a calculable amount of Oxygen on, in, and above Earth.
My answer was just to solve the belief that the universe is infinite and the language about how
If this is more of a “change my mind” kinda thing, im not equipped to do that. I have no clue if it’s infinite or not, probability wise we are in a computer simulation so our universe ends at whatever fixed borders are outside of our visibility
My answer was just to solve the belief that the universe is infinite and the language about how
If this is more of a “change my mind” kinda thing, im not equipped to do that. I have no clue if it’s infinite or not, probability wise we are in a computer simulation so our universe ends at whatever fixed borders are outside of our visibility
But the answers are on this same gadget that your reading from right now.
Just start studying
The Realist Perspective
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If the universe has an infinite amount of space then that would cancel out a finite number of particles. Because if you have an infinite amount of particles, that would result in zero space! So there is only a finite amount of space and particles!
To simplify this, if I were to make a noise without ending, what silence would there be? Silence would not exist.
Things exist in a binary sense. One cannot exist without the other. If one thing is, infinitely, then there would be no such existence of it, oddly enough!
Mind boggling stuff.
This is also an argument against: existence as we know it to only occur once.
Because what is a period of existence between two periods of infinite non existence? A paradox!
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You have it exactly backwards. It is the concept of finiteness that is meaningless when applied in math or nature. Just like it's meaningless to say that people stop existing when they're dead. Or that things stop existing when they move to the past. Or that numbers exist "only in our heads". These are just things that people say but that really have no meaning when you think them through.
Yes. This is the opposite of my general understanding of the universe.
So how do you think about the edge of the universe? Are you afraid to fall off? Or bump your head against it The Truman Show-style?
Oh this isn’t that for me lol. I just wanted to talk about the idea of infinity. I don’t really care that much
So how do you think about the edge of the universe? Are you afraid to fall off? Or bump your head against it The Truman Show-style?
Let's do it.
Do you bump your head against the edge of the spheroid called Earth?
No. The surface of Earth is functionally "infinite" because of geometry. The outside of the spheroid has no edge.
Likewise with the Universe. The Earth is a 3d object. The superstructure of the entire universe wraps around in a fourth dimension.
On Earth. 3d object. You can move in x and y dimension in a full circle. The superstructure of the cosmos means you can move in x y and z in a full circle. There is no "edge" anymore than there is an edge to the globe (as concerns the x and y).
Meaning. If you could travel as fast and as far as necessary in one continuous direction: you'd return to the place you started. Just like if you traveled North constantly you'd circumnabulate the globe eventually.
That is literally what this is. This:
is the most generic fake deep obvious shyt ever
Except there clearly is another dimension through which we can escape the surface of the Earth, which is why we can't use it as an analogy for the universe looping back to itself without an alternative direction to keep moving in.
Likewise for things stopping existing: if you really believe that, then you have to believe that we are both solipsists since we'd be talking to nothingness as the person/thing that wrote your message didn't even exist anymore once I got the chance to even see the message. Not only that, cognition becomes rather impossible as it is a process taking up time so being cognizant of anything is in fact a delusional fantasy as there is no information that keeps existing about which we can process anything. So even believing that you think and therefore exist (a la Descartes) becomes delusional but then you'd have to believe you're delusional, so you exist, but that's rather contradictory in itself and so...infinite regression of ever more meaningless thoughts that you have to believe can't even exist...
It's best to ignore what modern physicists say about the universe and existence breh. They suck at thinking and just claim oochie wallie sh*t about the universe and existence for attention while plagiarizing the philosophers they denounced for centuries for being armchair thinkers.
Except there clearly is another dimension through which we can escape the surface of the Earth, which is why we can't use it as an analogy for the universe looping back to itself without an alternative direction to keep moving in.
Likewise for things stopping existing: if you really believe that, then you have to believe that we are both solipsists since we'd be talking to nothingness as the person/thing that wrote your message didn't even exist anymore once I got the chance to even see the message. Not only that, cognition becomes rather impossible as it is a process taking up time so being cognizant of anything is in fact a delusional fantasy as there is no information that keeps existing about which we can process anything. So even believing that you think and therefore exist (a la Descartes) becomes delusional but then you'd have to believe you're delusional, so you exist, but that's rather contradictory in itself and so...infinite regression of ever more meaningless thoughts that you have to believe can't even exist...
It's best to ignore what modern physicists say about the universe and existence breh. They suck at thinking and just claim oochie wallie sh*t about the universe and existence for attention while plagiarizing the philosophers they denounced for centuries for being armchair thinkers.
The reason it's an analogy is because we cannot mentally grasp 4D.
When I describe the qualities of a 4D model, I relate it to something we can compute. Which is a 2D plane warped in a third dimension.
A map. It has only two dimensions that you need to consider. The deeper truth is that the 2D space of the map actually exists on a larger 3D object. In a normal process of driving from one point on the map to another, the third spatial dimension is not a factor.
We understand that there is a third dimension. Up in this case. Now understand that X y and z have a dimension that they wrap around in also.
I bring the globe in to it to illustrate that, just like x and y are "infinite" on the globe (circular), x y AND x are "infinite" in the cosmos (circular). But not truly infinite because there is a certain size for each axis. Just like there is a certain value for the circumference of the spheroid Earth.
