"(insert black QB) can't read a defense"

[TenChambers]

Look how they did McNabb during his prime Philly years....you'd have thought this nikka was Brad Johnson the way they talked about him.

They praise Philip Rivers & Romo for doing not gotdamn thing but have mediocre teams year after year. They don't even mention Teddy Bridgewater as a QB of the future but talk that shyt about Bortles & Carr.

 

[Darealtwo1]

Look how they did McNabb during his prime Philly years....you'd have thought this nikka was Brad Johnson the way they talked about him.

They praise Philip Rivers & Romo for doing not gotdamn thing but have mediocre teams year after year. They don't even mention Teddy Bridgewater as a QB of the future but talk that shyt about Bortles & Carr.

carr> entire 2014 n 2013 class tho.

 

[TenChambers]

carr> entire 2014 n 2013 class tho.

I'm taking Teddy

 

[Darealtwo1]

I'm taking Teddy

Okay. Take a baby body, small hand, frail, one big hit away, rg3 esque type body QB over derek carr. :mjdrinkinnnggg:

Only thing teddy had going for him was that he was in a west coast system at louie for 3 years.

 

[yseJ]

'reading a defense' boils down to

1)reading defenses pre-snap (usually what is referred to as 'reading defenses')
2)making adjustment based on #1 and your experience/film study
3)ALSO understanding where defense is on the field during the play POST snap and how are they going to cover your throw and all, ESPECIALLY if your read of #1 was wrong

all these 3 things combined are EXTREMELY difficult for any qb in the league. as someone who have watched a ton of film as a hobby, Id say theres maybe 3 active qbs who can read defenses to be good in these three things. and even that might be a stretch.

I mean, theres peyton manning who is by far the best reader of defense ever, and theres everyone else. theres tons of qbs in hall of fame who werent that amazing at all aspects of reading a defense. a lot of them were awesome at the reactive part of #3, had great vision and decision-making, but didnt necessarily have the best reads or made the adjustment pre-snap OR post-snap

black qbs in general (fukking hate to generalize here) arent good defense readers, but that stems from how they are being used in college and high school. no one bothers to hone their passing and defense reading skills, and coaches just exploit their athleticism.

theres no way you're gonna be a great defense reader if coaches make you run the read option a ton and simplify offense for you in order to win short-term. you can be a good qb but you wont be able to read defenses that well.

finally, like Ive said, reading defenses really well isnt necessarily a prereq for being a great qb. being real good with your decision making is usually more than enough. overthinking things can be an actual side effect of trying too hard to rely on your reads and chess-like strategy of thinking several moves ahead with different possibilities.

 

[TenChambers]

Okay. Take a baby body, small hand, frail, one big hit away, rg3 esque type body QB over derek carr. :mjdrinkinnnggg:

Only thing teddy had going for him was that he was in a west coast system at louie for 3 years.

I'll stick with the more efficient & more wins with less talent around him...
And Teddy isn't a runner; I don't know what could bring you to that conclusion. He's a pure pocket passer, but we'll see in a few years breh.

 

[godkiller]

'reading a defense' boils down to

1)reading defenses pre-snap (usually what is referred to as 'reading defenses')
2)making adjustment based on #1 and your experience/film study
3)ALSO understanding where defense is on the field during the play POST snap and how are they going to cover your throw and all, ESPECIALLY if your read of #1 was wrong

all these 3 things combined are EXTREMELY difficult for any qb in the league. as someone who have watched a ton of film as a hobby, Id say theres maybe 3 active qbs who can read defenses to be good in these three things. and even that might be a stretch.

I mean, theres peyton manning who is by far the best reader of defense ever, and theres everyone else. theres tons of qbs in hall of fame who werent that amazing at all aspects of reading a defense. a lot of them were awesome at the reactive part of #3, had great vision and decision-making, but didnt necessarily have the best reads or made the adjustment pre-snap OR post-snap

black qbs in general (fukking hate to generalize here) arent good defense readers, but that stems from how they are being used in college and high school. no one bothers to hone their passing and defense reading skills, and coaches just exploit their athleticism.

theres no way you're gonna be a great defense reader if coaches make you run the read option a ton and simplify offense for you in order to win short-term. you can be a good qb but you wont be able to read defenses that well.

finally, like Ive said, reading defenses really well isnt necessarily a prereq for being a great qb. being real good with your decision making is usually more than enough. overthinking things can be an actual side effect of trying too hard to rely on your reads and chess-like strategy of thinking several moves ahead with different possibilities.

This is a good post. Despite OP's protestations, most black QBs aren't adept at readin defences. It's not just about having the ability to make the right reads at the right time (adjustments) but being able to read defences well enough to consistently diagnose coverages and apply working solutions (presnap). I can't think of a black QB that's particularly good at presnap/post snap right now. Teddy B has the most potential to be a cerebral black QB.

 

[Darealtwo1]

I'll stick with the more efficient & more wins with less talent around him...
And Teddy isn't a runner; I don't know what could bring you to that conclusion. He's a pure pocket passer, but we'll see in a few years breh.

frame and size not running...

 

[yseJ]

This is a good post. Despite OP's protestations, most black QBs aren't adept at readin defences. It's not just about having the ability to make the right reads at the right time (adjustments) but being able to read defences well enough to consistently diagnose coverages and apply working solutions (presnap). I can't think of a black QB that's particularly good at presnap/post snap right now. Teddy B has the most potential to be a cerebral black QB.

I dont even think russ is that good at reading the defense. and you can say I like russ game a lot.

russ is a great example of someone who has really great vision and for most part very good decision making. he knows where his wrs are and on broken plays his legs and his vision coupled with decision making does wonders. he isnt a pocket passer and most of seattles plays arent based on timing because their oline gets blown up too much. russ football IQ is really high, but I dont think he dissects defenses well yet. and thats ok, you cant dissect defenses well when you've only been in the league 3 years, unless you're peyton.

 

[TenChambers]

frame and size not running...

Yea, he could use 20 lbs.....if he gets cracked by Clay Matthews or Suh

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Damn I swear I was gonna make this exact thread today, mainly about a certain Steve Young comment that he keeps repeating. Do ya'll really buy that shyt he's selling about playing quarterback being equal law school/grad school/ advanced calculus? It just seems like an unnecessary way to put QB's on an even higher pedestal that they don't deserve...just like the bullshyt idea of a QB being a "CEO on the field".

...

How many doctors/lawyers are there breh? How many pro QBs?

 

[boskey]

How many doctors/lawyers are there breh? How many pro QBs?

About the same number as pro kickers and long snappers. That doesn't prove the point breh

 

[JLova]

This is a good post. Despite OP's protestations, most black QBs aren't adept at readin defences. It's not just about having the ability to make the right reads at the right time (adjustments) but being able to read defences well enough to consistently diagnose coverages and apply working solutions (presnap). I can't think of a black QB that's particularly good at presnap/post snap right now. Teddy B has the most potential to be a cerebral black QB.

Most white QBs can't read defenses either and they have no excuse since they been groomed as pocket passers from jump.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

About the same number as pro kickers and long snappers. That doesn't prove the point breh

I can see where Steve Young is coming from, although I don't agree. Reading/reacting to defenses has to be on of the most difficult activities there is.

 

[yseJ]

Most white QBs can't read defenses either and they have no excuse since they been groomed as pocket passers from jump.

yep

when talking heads talk about 'reading the defenses well', its merely a talking point in 95% of the cases.

as qbs get experience in the league, they get better at it, but most of them are still not that great at it. like, vet qbs are always better at reading the defenses than they were when they were young.