Lord_Chief_Rocka
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I assume you mean for a rookie. But KAT and Okafor may turn into dominant players but they aren't yet
Intersting fact, The modern game has the fewest fouls and free throws in NBA history
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Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Cousins plays too much on the outside. No big man that actually plays like a big man has put up the numbers Cousins has and his team not be a contender. Not Ewing, not Shaq, no one. Cousins needs to get his ass in the post and jump hook people to deathm and force double teams. That's how big men win.
DetroitEWarren
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Yeah, I was saying top 3 as a rookie big overall in the last 20 and easily the best for a 5 since Shaq. Towns is dominant already though. Especially if u are counting his defensive impact. Oak is great in the post, but lacks in other areas. Towns is already above average to great at everything offensively. He is only playing like 30mpg also.
That's not a major reason at all. 3s have replaced a certain portion of jumpshots inside the arc (mostly midrange/long 2s); teams of today aren't taking the same percentage of jumpshots inside the arc (as previous eras), as well as taking 3s on top of that.
I fail to see the relevance of this.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
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Teams play more on the outside today because there has not been a dominant big man in 20 years. The more jump shots taken, 3s or not, will lead to less fouls. You think if there were 5 HoF bigs today like you had in the 90s plus Barkley, C Webb , and Malone, that teams would still be shooting the amount of outside shots? I guess it's possible but I don't think so.
95 Rockets led the league in 3pt attempts (Knicks and Magic were top 10 as well). A dominant low post presence perfectly complements prolific 3 point shooting.
The God Poster
LWO representa
Where is all the people against hacking big men.
Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez
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I don't even know what argument you are trying to create here. Was there anybody that thought that there were more fouls today than the previous years when the game was more physical?For the average NBA team according to Basketball Reference
Year Fouls Free Throws Attempts
2015 1658 1873
2005 1856 2137
1995 1924 2220
1985 2045 2408
1975 1995 2065
1965 2076 2845
Adjusted For Pace - Fouls * 100/Pace
Year Adjusted Fouls per Team
2015 1765
2005 2041
1995 2071
1985 2002
1975 1909
1965 1769
Come spin this one 90s stans.
For the average NBA team according to Basketball Reference
Year Fouls Free Throws Attempts
2015 1658 1873
2005 1856 2137
1995 1924 2220
1985 2045 2408
1975 1995 2065
1965 2076 2845
Adjusted For Pace - Fouls * 100/Pace
Year Adjusted Fouls per Team
2015 1765
2005 2041
1995 2071
1985 2002
1975 1909
1965 1769
Come spin this one 90s stans.
What is your argument?
That's completely false - it really couldn't be further from the truth. Not only do we still have quite a few low-post players in the league, but ONE "dominant big man" does not explain the fouls/free throw discrepancy - especially since we do have a dominant big man in Cousins - who draws more fouls than Duncan ever has in his career. Not only that, but the percentage of inside shots hasn't decreased over the years; teams are just cutting down on low percentage shots (midrange/long 2s) and replaced them with more high percentage shots (in the paint) and higher points per shots (3-pointers).
Teams aren't taking more jump shots today though.
Here's the thing, 3-pt shot attempts have increased but not OVERALL jumpshots. As I mentioned before a certain portion of those midrange/long 2s have been replaced with players stepping out a few feet further behind the arc.
That's not to say that the increased ratio of 3-pt shots to total shots hasn't had an effect at all (it's really had an impact on spacing more than anything else, which ties in with my next point), but it's certainly not one of the main reasons. I'd put this mostly down to offensive and defensive schemes being better today, and the influx of data and information teams now have to adjust/counter to find ways to score and stop scoring.
@Gil Scott-Heroin when we gonna make that thread about perimeter defenders today being better than any other era?
You can even see this in modern era with Dwight Howard's Magic teams. If you can draw the defense in with an aggressive big, then shooters will be wide open
I was actually speaking to the homie the other day about this. He tried to tell me Kawhi would only be an average defender during the 90s because he'd be more exposed to 1v1 situations.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
Lol cousins ain't a dominant player. How could a dominant player never make the playoffs? Trade prime Duncan for cousins and sac is 50 win team. If cousins does get fouled more that's good but even then that's just one player.
Teams aren't taking more jump shots?
Do you have any statistics on that? I would be shocked if that's the case but if the data says that then I'll give it to you.
But overall like I said the fact that there has been no dominant big man in the NBA in 20 years is going to play a role in why there are less fouls.
@ cousins being a dominant player