Is Center the only position without a clear GOAT?

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

It would take more than that.
And fair or not, Durant's going to take a massive legacy hit for joining the Warriors.

Even without it, I just don't see any metrics where Durant even sniffs Lebron.
James' accumulated value over replacement is more than double Durant's. And Durant has himself stated he doesn't intend to play late into his 30s and may retire as early as 35, so really the only way Durant "comes close" is if he continues this stretch of championships, playing at the highest level, AND public opinion changes massively (though candidly, that last part is less important in judging greatness).

Yes but you know its about perception. If brons another super squad out east and loses to the warriors again, and KD is the clear cut best player, the perception wil start to change. Now stats wise, impact wise, has Durant made the mark Lebron has? No. However negative perceptions have followed Lebron forever. For years it was said he wasn’t clutch even those the stats said otherwise. Just saying. KD beats bron again and with bron actually having a good team, the tides are turning very quickly.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

boy y'all do anything to try and save face for this man LeBron and act like GSW is some insurmountable juggernaut. All the while at the same time calling them ”lucky” and being injuries away from not having any championships. So which is it?

ElBron stans are confused.

Lebron, a man who only plays the goat on tv, and his worst cast ever according to his stans, almost stole 2, maybe 3 games from the warriors....

but the actual goat mj with his top 50 robin in pippen, the goat rebounder, 2x dpoy and master troll in rodman, ron harper - who bron stans told me had no decline from his cavs years all the way up to his retirement with the lakers - and goat coach in phil "aint shyt compared to this warriors team"

Bron stans will say and do anything to save face for bron. Every team he ever faced is a goat team. And no team in the past can beat them if bron can't.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

no the fukk he ain’t. he’s only been able to win rings on arguably the greatest nba team ever. had a chance to do it on a regular elite team, but guess who stopped him?

these warrior rings have practically 0 leverage when it comes to determining KD’s place amongst the all time greats

foh

THIS,
he really put a ceiling on his legacy with serious fans, when he hopped on the warriors' d*ck.

I mean, he still has a shot to crack my top 20.
position-wise, I think he hit his peak at 5. I don't see him surpassing bird, dr Julius or elgin. and we can see in real-time that hes never gonna come close to LeBron.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

The same way none of yall saw kareem play and just see 6 rings and claim hes goat is the same way 20 years from now those who never saw kd play will just look at his rings and finals mvps and rank him top 10.

All this "hes a bytch. He won't get my respect" talk won't mean shyt when it's all said and done. The history books only show the W and L columns and his FMVPs.

 

[Mad Good Dro]

The same way none of yall saw kareem play and just see 6 rings and claim hes goat is the same way 20 years from now those who never saw kd play will just look at his rings and finals mvps and rank him top 10.

All this "hes a bytch. He won't get my respect" talk won't mean shyt when it's all said and done. The history books only show the W and L columns and his FMVPs.

They say that cuz hes the all time leading scorer, has the most MVPS of any player, and won chips with 2 different teams.
KD gonna have to win rings outside of GSW and get his personal accolades up before people respect him like that.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

They say that cuz hes the all time leading scorer, has the most MVPS of any player, and won chips with 2 different teams.
KD gonna have to win rings outside of GSW and get his personal accolades up before people respect him like that.

He won with 2 different teams....with the 2 greatest pgs of all time. Wasnt winning shyt without them. So to say kd gotta go somewhere else like he don't got 2 fmvps is nonsense.

Kd got 4 scoring titles and folks want to say he's a greater scorer than jordan so that all times points record don't mean shyt. Everyone knows who the goat scorers are. Longevity stats are nice but they don't tell the whole story.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Kareem in hoops = Emmitt Smith in football

KAJ was a superstar from H.S. to college to the NBA. He led great teams and won all the individual and team accolades a player could hope for in their career. In theory he should be #1, but he's never really the first or even second person fans think about when talking about the GOAT.

Emmitt was the same way. Led a garbage H.S. to 2-straight state titles (in Florida mind you), national h.s. player of the year and Parade All-American, finished in the top 3 (when he graduated) all time rushers in high school ball ever (any state), all-american at UF when they were garbage and put up all the numbers in the NFL with the rings to match.

Both had great peak performance but also longevity. Unlike other players, there's no "what if." They did exactly what every athlete wants to do. Yet somehow both never seem to get the juice you'd expect given their accomplishments.

Kareem isn't mentioned as much as he should, because hes not modern.
most basketball fans really don't care about history like that, and the media does a piss-poor job of teaching it.
plus kareem gets snubbed for a lot of things to this day, because he was way too militant for the establishment.

I didn't know emmitt was so decorated before the pros, but when talking NFL backs, I can name close to 10 better.

He won with 2 different teams....with the 2 greatest pgs of all time. Wasnt winning shyt without them. So to say kd gotta go somewhere else like he don't got 2 fmvps is nonsense.

Kd got 4 scoring titles and folks want to say he's a greater scorer than jordan so that all times points record don't mean shyt. Everyone knows who the goat scorers are. Longevity stats are nice but they don't tell the whole story.

kareem didn't shamelessly latch onto a championship team.

now to durant's credit, regardless of the scoring titles, i'd still say that Durant is a greater scorer than Jordan. hes been an effortlessly great scorer since the sonics.

kobe & shaq lakers are nothing compared to GS

SHAQ & kobe.
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[ALonelyDad]

Kareem is the clear goat, he is 2nd, 3rd and 1st on most list.. he is better than Shaq, Hakeem, Bill, Wilt, and Bynum

 

[HabitualChiller]

Bron has 3....KD has 2.....KD is 2-1 vs Bron in the Finals.....KD has hit all the clutch shots necessary

bron is still better and but KD still has a good 5-8 years left....idk if the gap is close but its closing

The bolded is why you're full of shyt. 33 year old Bron in his 15th year is still better than 29 year old KD even with a bad team and losing 2 finals in a row and getting a clutch shot hit over him.

Idk how you could even argue that KD is close...

 

[Mad Good Dro]

He won with 2 different teams....with the 2 greatest pgs of all time. Wasnt winning shyt without them. So to say kd gotta go somewhere else like he don't got 2 fmvps is nonsense.

Kareem won a chip with the bucks and was the MVP of those teams like 4 times before he joined the lakers, KD played for 2 greats PGs at one point in OKC, won 1 MVP and 0 chips with Russ and Harden...

The fact that KD didn't win shyt in OKC then jetted to the team he lost to is a stain on his legacy that wont be easy to overshadow without winning on a different team whether yall like it or not.

The difference is players like kareem and lebron won on their original teams. KD hasn't.

Kd got 4 scoring titles and folks want to say he's a greater scorer than jordan so that all times points record don't mean shyt. Everyone knows who the goat scorers are. Longevity stats are nice but they don't tell the whole story.

Jordan is 3rd on the list and has 10 scoring titles, It does matter.

When KD gets top 5 and gets some more scoring titles i'll put him over MJ.

 

[jadillac]

Basketball letting coaches wear uniforms like baseball now?

 

[Mad Good Dro]

The bolded is why you're full of shyt. 33 year old Bron in his 15th year is still better than 29 year old KD even with a bad team and losing 2 finals in a row and getting a clutch shot hit over him.

Idk how you could even argue that KD is close...

This exactly. KD isn't even best player in the league after winning back to back chips. But hes quickly closing the gap as the GOAT small forward.

Bron has 7 Total MVPs currently, KD just got his 3rd. but hes quickly closing the gap.

Bron is top 10 in scoring AND Assists, KD isn't even top 30 in either one. But hes quickly closing the gap.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Kareem won a chip with the bucks and was the MVP of those teams like 4 times before he joined the lakers, KD played for 2 greats PGs at one point in OKC, won 1 MVP and 0 chips with Russ and Harden...

The fact that KD didn't win shyt in OKC then jetted to the team he lost to is a stain on his legacy that wont be easy to overshadow without winning on a different team whether yall like it or not.

The difference is players like kareem and lebron won on their original teams. KD hasn't.









Jordan is 3rd on the list and has 10 scoring titles, It does matter.

When KD gets top 5 and gets some more scoring titles i'll put him over MJ.

Jordan is 3rd on what list? What the fukk are you even talking about?

Jordan got 10 scoring titles and wilt has 7. Those are the 2 most dominant scorers in the history of the game; not kareem and malone.

Kd got more scoring titles than kareem and malone. Longevity stats are nice but in all sports, that doesnt make you the goat. Emmit isnt the goat running back. Peyton nor farve are goat qbs.

Kareem won a ring with oscar, 2nd goat pg. Oscar retires and not another ring was sniffed until the goat pg gave him 5 more. He got 2 fmvps and 6 rings . Kd got 2 fmvps and 2 rings.

All this other bullshyt you're crying about wont mean shyt in the future just like kareem being carried to 4 of his 6 rings dont matter. History only looks at wins and losses. Not crying fans who are mad their hero lost 6 times (so far) in the finals.

 

[10bandz]

KD will end up with 1 or 2 more rings than Bron and all y'all bronsexuals will be able to do is Juelz about super teams and how KD is a bytch

 

[BlackMajik]

I'd say Kareem

But if Shaq had the desire and a great work ethic I would say he would have been the GOAT player period