'Lando
"My team in the marine-blue, Six Coupe"
smileys are a normal thing on here. get used to it
Is Diddy's street game underrated? Has he ever taken an L?
- Thread starter Tony D'Amato
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Slapping Drake is a street victory?
For puffy not so much, for the rest of us it would be..slapping a heavily guarded pop star and living to tell the tale
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
smileys are a normal thing on here. get used to it
I've been here longer than you.
I know.
But you seem like you want a real debate and you abuse that smiley bullshyt.
I can't probably put you in your place on my cell phone with that smiley nonsense.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Puffy is a heavily guarded pop star/spokesman.For puffy not so much, for the rest of us it would be..slapping a heavily guarded pop star and living to tell the tale
'Lando
"My team in the marine-blue, Six Coupe"
how can you put me in any place when you just got put in yours
you keep making excuses about being on a phone and smileys getting in your way. by the time youre ready i might be done with this thread and might not even care.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
how can you put me in any place when you just got put in yours
I didn't get a chance to fairly reply.
But that's right.
Run.
BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
...and on that day, run he did.
'Lando
"My team in the marine-blue, Six Coupe"
nothing i just said indicated that i might be running from this. all i said was that "i might have already been done by the time youre ready", and in case you wanna come back later.... let this list sit and 
for a lil while.1. bad boy is named number one rap label in 1995 by billboard and suge clearly gets jealous prompting him to do nothing but say words about diddy at the source
2. later that same year suges friend jake robles is killed in atlanta and all the fingers get pointed at diddys crew. suge seemingly does not get any retaliation for this.
3. suge attempts to get a bad boy affilliate to tell him where puffys mom lives (tries to do what he did to eazy again) and ultimately fails.
4. all the bullshyt and fukkery by DR reaches its peak and backfires on them in '96 when tupac is murdered.
5. orlando anderson is killed over an unrelated drug dispute between two feuding crip sets at a car wash in compton 2 years later
6. suge goes to jail for violating parole and death row collapses because of this and then ultimately loses its ties to its distributor interscope.
7. in the midst of all this bad boy becomes bigger and bigger and eventually reached a peak that was arguably bigger than death row was at its peak
8. death rows decline becomes worse and worse around this time. artists leave, the label eventually falls off and declines completley while suge is in jail for the next however many years.
9. death row + suge knight file for bankruptcy in 2006 and suge basically loses the label. everything is auctioned off somewhere around 2009 i believe and eventually the label is sold and suge loses the rights.
10. suge is reported to only have had $10 in his bank account after filing for bankruptcy and/or losing the label.
11. nothing much else happens really, just suge getting himself into trouble and taking more Ls. he was supposed to get a tv reality show and that didnt work out. more jail sentences occur etc etc.
and if you want an L list relating more to just suge/puffy themselves theres nothing really to discuss. suge lost control of his multi million dollar business not even 6 years after its inception due to being a complete idiot while his rival's company goes on to become bigger and bigger. his rival's company is called "motown of the 90s" by mtv around '97-'99 ...a title that suge wanted for his own label himself. bad boy then still remained alive even when it was no longer relevant. puffy goes on to have many more successful business ventures while suge loses his company completely and just gets shot, knocked out and gets himself in jail and charged with murder on like a yearly basis. puffy then buys a 40 million dollar mansion on suges own turf and sends his kid to a college in suges own city.
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BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
1. bad boy was named number one rap label in 1995 by billboard and suge clearly got jealous prompting him to do nothing but say words about diddy at the source
2. later that same year suges friend jake robles is killed in atlanta and all the fingers get pointed at diddys crew. suge seemingly does not get any retaliation for this.
3. suge attempts to get a bad boy affilliate to tell him where puffys mom lives (tries to do what he did to eazy again) and ultimately fails.
4. all the bullshyt and fukkery by DR reaches its peak and backfires on them in '96 when tupac is murdered.
5. orlando anderson is killed in over an unrelated drug dispute between two feuding crip sets at a car wash in compton 2 years later
6. suge goes to jail for violating parole and death row collapses because of this and then ultimately loses its ties to its distributor interscope.
7. in the midst of all this bad boy becomes bigger and bigger and eventually reached a peak that was arguably bigger than death row was at its peak
8. death rows decline becomes worse and worse over time, artists all leave, and the label eventually falls off and declines completley while suge is in jail for the next however many years.
9. death row + suge knight file for bankruptcy in 2006 and suge basically loses the label. everything is auctioned off somewhere around 2009 i believe and eventually the label is sold and suge loses the rights.
10. suge is reported to only have had $10 in his bank account after filing for bankruptcy and/or losing the label.
11. nothing much else happens really, just suge getting himself into trouble and taking more Ls. he was supposed to get a tv reality show and that didnt work out. more jail sentences occur etc etc.
First off, thank you for taking this seriously despite your bias seen on your avatar. I also thank you for your lack of using smileys.
1. I do not care about Suge Knight nor do I care about how much Death Row sold. Same goes for Bad Boy. Sales do not dictate the value of art. We can only speculate how Suge felt considering he didn't confide in neither one of us. Plus he wasn't in his back yard Source Awards wise. The same Source Awards that hated on Outkast and the south. Had he been in Cali, things may have played different. I'm saying that as a guy from Baltimore. Snoop had the charts in 1995. Pac on Death Row took over the charts in 1996. But that's not what the thread's about is it?
2. Diddy's "crew" were members of Jimmy Henchmen's crew who extorted him for protection. Who else was doing dirt on his behalf? Craig Mack? Not only did Suge provoke that alleged attack by killing one of Diddy's (Jimmy Henchmen's) goons but he and Pac made him drink a cup of piss.
3. I need more information on that from someone with your avatar. This is about Diddy, not Suge. But since we're on the subject, if the two were to square up, who do you think wins?
4. Tupac, as far as we know, was murdered after stomping out Orlando Anderson which more than likely retaliation. Speculation, or course.
5. No argument there besides Diddy's "gangsta" which is what this thread is about.
6. No argument there.
7. Bad Boy's peak was with Biggie (who, as we know, was stupid enough to go to Cali after Pac's murder) People were throwing things at him at the mall for Christ's sake. They had another spark with Ma$e who after a successful album left Bad Boy. Next up, Black Rob. One hit wonder.
8. Agreed. Had nothing to do with Diddy though. The point of this thread was that Diddy was a gangster. He's not. The people behind him were and then turned government informants.
9. Right. Again, not a Suge fan. Just not a Diddy fan either. Kind of hate both those guys.
10. See 9.
11. Agree with that as well. Kind of went with this list with ease and kept things simple. But Diddy's not a gangster by any means and you didn't address how Diddy allegedly slit his wrist amongst the beef and told Biggie not to name names on diss songs.
I don't know why were arguing although Suge and Pac did make Diddy's man drink a pint of piss while I'm drinking a pint of Guinness. Wally Russell's here so I'm sure he has something more to bring to the table.
Also, your avatar's petty unless you have a decent reason for it. I know that's a personal attack but it shows a clear bias.
I'm ready for more because after Suge got Wolf killed, I have more I can say.
Say what you want about Puff but tally up the things he's been through and he's still standing in 2015 richer than ever without a scar on his person.
Yall respect the guy that got his nails dirty in the street, I say all that shyt don't fukking matter.
Yall respect the guy that got his nails dirty in the street, I say all that shyt don't fukking matter.
'Lando
"My team in the marine-blue, Six Coupe"
i stan what i stan
it doesnt dictate the value of art correct ...but this wasnt about that. this was about L's and W's. record sales are a good indicator for L's and W's. lets not forget all about bad boy being named number one rap label in 95 btw and all the biggie singles that were topping charts including his debut selling well that year along with faith evans debut selling well too. of course death row had '96...that was never in question.
but its up to you to prove all that. time is yours. ive never ever seen it proven. its just been a rumor ive seen online. even if it is true...suge knight being extorted by michael harris came up in a courtroom. what goon are you talking about? who did suge get killed? and he made mark bell or whatever his name drink piss but the point is thats not exacting real good revenge is it? jake robles is dead and mark bell drank piss and lived.
you go about things according to your strengths and the enemy's weaknesses. fighting a man who's 6'3 315 pounds up front is out of the question really. regardless, diddy let suge hang himself lol. also, you made this about suge first. you brought suge up first in here not me.
they fukked up regardless. it was only a matter of time.
im not saying hes a gangsta, all i did was reply to what you said. you listed diddys supposed L's and i listed suge's and it went on from there.
need receipts on the mall thing. and lets not forget about shyne,lox, black rob, diddy, mase, total, 112 all going platinum and/or multi platinum....their peak around '97-'98 regardless was arguably bigger than death row at its peak. i see you didnt argue against that. doesnt matter anyways because like i said its 75 mil worldwide vs 50 mil worldwide. bad boy also had more multi- and/or just platinum selling artists than death row. mase was not the only spark besides biggie that they had. for every selling artist death row had ..bad boy had/has one to answer for it.
im not saying he was. i was just replying to what you said and it went on from there. i like to argue
actually i did. i said why would it even matter if eventually diddy won. he told biggie that so they wouldnt f*ck themselves over in the long run. after all, when you really think about it ...it was while in the adult business world. they were on a RECORD company. bad boy knew what they were doing but death row couldnt stick to the script. they fukked up and lost it all. not naming names doesnt mean much in the grand scheme of things either. plenty of disses were made either way on both sides. some people think subliminals are a bytch move and some dont. also, suge knight like i said is technically not a real gangster himself either. i already discussed that.
pac played no role in that. what i read said he stood there and basically watched. making a man drink piss isnt much compared to having someone killed btw. jake robles was killed and then suge made a man drink piss. that all they had to do to him after his friend was murdered?
im biased and so what? everyone has a bias. i stan what i stan. you calling my avatar "petty" might show that you yourself could have a bias. it seems like it offends you.
are you serious. wolf was killed because of something to do with big meech/black mafia. suge was never a factor in any of that. theres no evidence anywhere to support that. plus it was reported that the night that happened diddy was like severing his friendship with wolf anyway. he made some other guy that night head of security and either demoted or gave wolf the boot.
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OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
I think you are missing the fact I was sarcastically pointing out that Diddy gets blamed for everything, regardless.
eastside313
Superstar
Beefs w/ prime Suge and the only dude to fall was his top earner who may have been worth more to Diddy dead(no offense). Dude just seems to not take Ls. Slaps Drake and Drake's bodyguards didnt even touch him.
I remember a vid of that n1gga yelling @ NYPD like he was mayor of the city
Diddy seems to be like Hammer back in the day, n1ggaz might say sh1t from a distance, but nobody runnin up on him
nah... if biggie was alive puff would be a billionarie by now
big was gonna put out 2 more albums after LAD then start his own shyt -puff was gonna get a piece of all that
I can be pretty dense at times lol