Is Dr Dre one of the most overrated producers of all time?
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sayyestothis
Free the guys
He didnt even play the keys on still dre breh fukk no he not the greatest
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
This isn't true though.
Couple quick things. Dude was NEVER a "ghost producer". Dre used to speak about The Glove all day, everyday. He was always in the credits too. He was a session musician. Dre always shouted him out on records for playing live bass on some of the records. Mel-Man mentioned that before too saying that "If Dre didn't want to sample something, he would tell Glove or Stu to play some strings, keys or bass and we could build around that".
Dre mentioned his team when he was working on The Firm album. He had the same 4-5 dudes with him, for years. Glove was just one of them. Dre also had Stu-B-Doo, Barney, J-Flexx, Bud'da, and Flossy P. Dre put them together and called them "Street Scholars" at first. He said the same thing that Mel-Man did. That these dudes knew how to play instruments, and he didn't. So if he needed a live sound and didn't want to sample, he could always go to them to drop keys, live guitar or bass on a track.
Sam Sneed, Daz and Stu-B-Doo say the same thing that a million other people have. Dre would make a beat and have the foundation for it. Then he would have other people come in to play instrumentation over the beat. Nobody was "ghost producing" for dude. The relationship was the same as his with Storch later on. Glove was who Dre liked to play live basslines. Stu-B-Doo worked on "California Love" with Dre, not Glove. Stu has told the whole story about how he was sitting around with Dre listening to "Pop Locking" and Dre came up with the idea for "California Love" and how they worked on it together. And how that was supposed to be a song for Sam Sneed, not Pac. Then Dre was going to keep it for himself, before he gave it to Pac.
Stu said "Dre used to call us 'The Soul Kitchen' and we would always work on things together". Real talk, Glove got kicked out of the crew because he was a druggie and was supposedly stealing and sh*t. He's the only one that's not still with Dre. Stu and everybody else went on to work on the 50 album and Game's sh*t. Once he got thrown out, Glove started doing interviews lying and saying he was making Dre's beats behind the scenes. Dude went out sad.
InGodWeTrust
Tall & Handsome in ATL
I can always tell if Sam Sneed had a hand in Dre production. It has a certain sound.
Natural Born Killaz, Keep Their Heads Ringin, U Betta Recognize, etc. Horrorcore piano type beats with eerie synths.
Natural Born Killaz, Keep Their Heads Ringin, U Betta Recognize, etc. Horrorcore piano type beats with eerie synths.
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
Truth.
"Natural Born Killaz" is one of my favorite Dre joints. Sam was highly slept-on. He went CRAZY on that "U Betta Recognize" beat. I still listen to that sh*t wild regularly.
He's the one that was bringing in all the dudes from Pittsburgh to meet Dre and work on music together. Suge f*cked dude's whole career up with the drama and violence. They ran him outta there. Sam would've been a problem. Mad talented dude.
Abstract83
Superstar
Thanks for the info. I didn't know this.
Abstract83
Superstar
So would you consider Dre more of a Quincy Jones type of producer?
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
Dre really does it all. We can’t limit him to just one thing with the either or.
Lord Finesse told a story about when he flew to see Dre and gave him the beat for “The Message”. He said he was out there with Dre for a couple weeks and saw Dre diggin’ through old records and making beats like it was 1992. He said Dre grabbed a Roy Ayers album and then chopped some sh*t up, made this crazy beat and then was like “Eh, I don’t know about this one”. Saved it and said he was going to throw it in “the vault”. D.O.C. always says that Dre has a million beats he makes and then just “puts them away”.
After he finished 2001, he started learning music theory. Actually went to school for it. Because he said he was tired of relying on people in times when he has music in his head that he can’t play on an instrument. So he enrolled in school to learn, and then started learning how to play. D.O.C. said "Dre can bust your ass on that MPC, or with arranging a live section or even an orchestra". That's how ill Dre is. When he made "Phone Tap" for The Firm album, he couldn't get the sample cleared. So he brought in live players and had them audition. Picked the best player and told them how to play the section over his drums. That's how gifted that dude is. He can do everything.
Dre's sitting on beats from 30+ years ago, that would murder sh*t TODAY!!
Dre really does it all. We can’t limit him to just one thing with the either or. Lord Finesse told a story about when he flew to see Dre and gave him the beat for “The Message”. He said he was out there with Dre for a couple weeks and saw Dre diggin’ through old records and making beats like it was 1992. He said Dre grabbed a Roy Ayers album and then chopped some sh*t up, made this crazy beat and then was like “Eh, I don’t know about this one”. Saved it and said he was going to throw it in “the vault”. D.O.C. always says that Dre has a million beats he makes and then just “puts them away”. After he finished 2001, he started learning music theory. Actually went to school for it. Because he said he was tired of relying on people in times when he has music in his head that he can’t play on an instrument. So he enrolled in school to learn, and then started learning how to play. D.O.C. said "Dre can bust your ass on that MPC, or with arranging a live section or even an orchestra". That's how ill Dre is. When he made "Phone Tap" for The Firm album, he couldn't get the sample cleared. So he brought in live players and had them audition. Picked the best player and told them how to play the section over his drums. That's how gifted that dude is. He can do everything. Dre's sitting on beats from 30+ years ago, that would murder sh*t TODAY!!
Dre really does it all. We can’t limit him to just one thing with the either or. Lord Finesse told a story about when he flew to see Dre and gave him the beat for “The Message”. He said he was out there with Dre for a couple weeks and saw Dre diggin’ through old records and making beats like it was 1992. He said Dre grabbed a Roy Ayers album and then chopped some sh*t up, made this crazy beat and then was like “Eh, I don’t know about this one”. Saved it and said he was going to throw it in “the vault”. D.O.C. always says that Dre has a million beats he makes and then just “puts them away”. After he finished 2001, he started learning music theory. Actually went to school for it. Because he said he was tired of relying on people in times when he has music in his head that he can’t play on an instrument. So he enrolled in school to learn, and then started learning how to play. D.O.C. said "Dre can bust your ass on that MPC, or with arranging a live section or even an orchestra". That's how ill Dre is. When he made "Phone Tap" for The Firm album, he couldn't get the sample cleared. So he brought in live players and had them audition. Picked the best player and told them how to play the section over his drums. That's how gifted that dude is. He can do everything. Dre's sitting on beats from 30+ years ago, that would murder sh*t TODAY!!
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but there's no need to get hypothetical
James brown dropped an album of 20 plus year old unreleased music in the 80s that became hits in their own right
People actually have done what he supposedly can do but won't
People kinda have to begrudgingly admit that "dr dre" is really a revolving collection of people
Well another production collective is organized noise
Them > dre
BK The Great
Veteran
That Missionary album really made me realize how overrated he can be at times. Even though he has classics I don’t listen to much of his stuff regularly anymore. Underground and indie producers might be better than him. Dre’s beats are soulless.
